Need honest opinions on current boomboxes

BoomBoxStash

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You would also like this, the DJ Tech boombox. Good styling, MDF back case, soft dome tweeters. But the battery is a 12V lead-acid that needs replacing every 3 years or so.



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lol, that's not bad looking. Never heard of it.
All of you have introduced me to some classic boomboxes that I never knew existed. I'm surprised. I thought I have seen or auditioned all of the 'great classics'. Neither did I know some boomboxes or other audio was only available in Japan. That's a shame.

Thinking back, I'll always kick myself for not grabbing one or two 'special' boomboxes.

For instance, back around the early1980's or thereabout, I took a trip with a friend which caused us to stop over in Manhattan for several hours. So, I wondered into an electronics store. Crazy stereo I do not recall ever seeing in catalogs. I was playing with a Sony system, (I think maybe a hi-density component) with all controls written in Japanese. Really hi-tech. Never saw it in an American catalog. I was mesmerized. Too bad I did not buy it.

That brings me to a question. As I previously said, I've seen a few boomboxes, like the RX-DT909, offered on ebay, from Japan. If I were even to consider buying, will it power up properly when plugged into a USA 120V outlet? Or will I need a converter or different plug?
 

Reli

Boomus Fidelis
If it was Japan-only, it's probably going to be 100V only. Yes you can use US voltage but it's not really a good idea, as it might stress out some of the components. The best bet is to get a "stepdown voltage converter" to convert 120V to 100V.
 

BoomBoxStash

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If it was Japan-only, it's probably going to be 100V only. Yes you can use US voltage but it's not really a good idea, as it might stress out some of the components. The best bet is to get a "stepdown voltage converter" to convert 120V to 100V.
That's what I thought. I had read Japan uses 100V. Not keen on using a converter. More parts. More cumbersome. More expense.

I'll stick with buying something made here. Probably something new. The rechargeable battery option makes current models very appealing and simple.

I miss the 70's and 80's. All the stores. All the electronics. All the choices and quality. But, I'm not a collector. I do enjoy discussing the past hifi. This is a pretty interesting forum.

I already owned the GPO Manhattan, which I liked, on some counts. But I returned it before I was tempted to mess with it.

I may bite the bullet and order the new Lasonic. That may be the only way to really know for sure. If I order it, I can post my opinion here.

Like I said previously, I like the size and the 8" woofers. And it is rechargeable. The rest I will have to see. It's returnable, lol.

Still thinking tho. Doesn't cost anything to ponder it over.
 

aiwapanasonic

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That's what I thought. I had read Japan uses 100V. Not keen on using a converter. More parts. More cumbersome. More expense.

I'll stick with buying something made here. Probably something new. The rechargeable battery option makes current models very appealing and simple.

I miss the 70's and 80's. All the stores. All the electronics. All the choices and quality. But, I'm not a collector. I do enjoy discussing the past hifi. This is a pretty interesting forum.

I already owned the GPO Manhattan, which I liked, on some counts. But I returned it before I was tempted to mess with it.

I may bite the bullet and order the new Lasonic. That may be the only way to really know for sure. If I order it, I can post my opinion here.

Like I said previously, I like the size and the 8" woofers. And it is rechargeable. The rest I will have to see. It's returnable, lol.

Still thinking tho. Doesn't cost anything to ponder it over.
My Panasonic RX DT 8 is 100v only and I am powering it via the battery terminals. I soldered wires to the + and - terminals in the battery box and connected them to a good Toshiba laptop charger: 15V 5Amp or as high as you can get on the amps. The adapter is tied to the back of the box with two black zip ties so you don't need to worry about it when carrying around. This is my $10 mod and it's been working great for 2+ years. The only downside is that the display light is off in this setup, because the light gets powered only on AC power. But I don't use that anyway; if you wanted, you can mod the display light with LEDs as the original bulbs have normally failed by now.

I read somewhere that the dt 707 is the World version, while the DT 909 is the Japanese domestic one:

But the good news if you get a 909 from Japan, it should have a full FM range - when I was researching them, I found this guy, it's in one of the comments:

And this Russian restorer has some good videos although his recordings aren't great quality but he does an amazing job restoring them and you can hear some sound comparisons (although they aren't in original condition as he does some upgrades: insulating the speaker boxes and changes in the signal path): this video has the DT9 vs the DT75:


You need to consider that the cobras have that additional mechanism that can go wrong and you need to worry about it. The DT9/8 is a no-frills monster and the most powerful of all. The difference in the DT 9 vs 8 is that the 9 has that a digital equaliser, and the 8 has the good old-fashined sliders for high/mid/bass.

I was listening to my Aiwa Strasser CSD SR8 today, and I will need to take back my comments about bass - this thing has just the right amount of bass, it's a pleasure to listen to modern beats. And there is something very refined about its design.
 
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BoomBoxStash

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My Panasonic RX DT 8 is 100v only and I am powering it via the battery terminals. I soldered wires to the + and - terminals in the battery box and connected them to a good Toshiba laptop charger: 15V 5Amp or as high as you can get on the amps. The adapter is tied to the back of the box with two black zip ties so you don't need to worry about it when carrying around. This is my $10 mod and it's been working great for 2+ years. The only downside is that the display light is off in this setup, because the light gets powered only on AC power. But I don't use that anyway; if you wanted, you can mod the display light with LEDs as the original bulbs have normally failed by now.

I read somewhere that the dt 707 is the World version, while the DT 909 is the Japanese domestic one:

But the good news if you get a 909 from Japan, it should have a full FM range - when I was researching them, I found this guy, it's in one of the comments:

And this Russian restorer has some good videos although his recordings aren't great quality but he does an amazing job restoring them and you can hear some sound comparisons (although they aren't in original condition as he does some upgrades: insulating the speaker boxes and changes in the signal path): this video has the DT9 vs the DT75:


You need to consider that the cobras have that additional mechanism that can go wrong and you need to worry about it. The DT9/8 is a no-frills monster and the most powerful of all. The difference in the DT 9 vs 8 is that the 9 has that a digital equaliser, and the 8 has the good old-fashined sliders for high/mid/bass.

I was listening to my Aiwa Strasser CSD SR8 today, and I will need to take back my comments about bass - this thing has just the right amount of bass, it's a pleasure to listen to modern beats. And there is something very refined about its design.
I like the idea of using a brick power supply. I have several, from 12VDC to 18VDC, with amp ratings of 3-5A. It's not perfect, but functional.

I am aware the Cobra mechanized lids can break down. But, to their credit, I had owned 2 or 3 RX-DT75s, all used, and never an issue with the Cobra lids or the powered ejects of the cassettes or CDs. They are well made.

The 909 has a much nicer display than either the 75 or the 707. And the equalizer is also more sophisticated than the tone controls of either lower model. So, idk if I believe the 909 was simply the Jap version. I really like the 909. I guess a personal thing. I always liked the 75.

Thinking about your power supply rigging. I have female 5.5 input power jacks on-hand. I could easily connect such a power jack to the removable battery compartment door. The jack would then be connected to the battery input terminals within the battery compartment.
Afterward, simply plug your power grip into the improvised power jack and unplug for easy portability.

In fact, once the power input jack is installed, you could then use either a 12-15V li-ion battery or a standard lawnmower starter 12V battery, modified with a 5.5 male plug, to power the unit by battery. Would be a little odd, but functional.

I've seen several DS-20 units, in nice condition for a decent price. I wondered how they sound. They only feature a left/right full-range single speaker. But they still seem to be pretty well equipped, electronically.
 
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BoomBoxStash

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My Panasonic RX DT 8 is 100v only and I am powering it via the battery terminals. I soldered wires to the + and - terminals in the battery box and connected them to a good Toshiba laptop charger: 15V 5Amp or as high as you can get on the amps. The adapter is tied to the back of the box with two black zip ties so you don't need to worry about it when carrying around. This is my $10 mod and it's been working great for 2+ years. The only downside is that the display light is off in this setup, because the light gets powered only on AC power. But I don't use that anyway; if you wanted, you can mod the display light with LEDs as the original bulbs have normally failed by now.

I read somewhere that the dt 707 is the World version, while the DT 909 is the Japanese domestic one:

But the good news if you get a 909 from Japan, it should have a full FM range - when I was researching them, I found this guy, it's in one of the comments:

And this Russian restorer has some good videos although his recordings aren't great quality but he does an amazing job restoring them and you can hear some sound comparisons (although they aren't in original condition as he does some upgrades: insulating the speaker boxes and changes in the signal path): this video has the DT9 vs the DT75:


You need to consider that the cobras have that additional mechanism that can go wrong and you need to worry about it. The DT9/8 is a no-frills monster and the most powerful of all. The difference in the DT 9 vs 8 is that the 9 has that a digital equaliser, and the 8 has the good old-fashined sliders for high/mid/bass.

I was listening to my Aiwa Strasser CSD SR8 today, and I will need to take back my comments about bass - this thing has just the right amount of bass, it's a pleasure to listen to modern beats. And there is something very refined about its design.
I meant "power brick", not power grip, above. Sorry. I didn't proof read before posting
 

Reli

Boomus Fidelis
Even the GPO Brooklyn isn't bad, IMO. As long as you stick with USB, its best-sounding source, and you leave it indoors and keep the volume moderate. If you play it too loud, there's some kind of rattle inside when the bass hits. Which isn't surprising I guess, considering how many mechanical parts are inside it. I'm betting it's the CD mechanism or a loose circuit board.
 
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BoomBoxStash

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Even the GPO Brooklyn isn't bad, IMO. As long as you stick with USB, its best-sounding source, and you leave it indoors and keep the volume moderate. If you play it too loud, there's some kind of rattle inside when the bass hits. Which isn't surprising I guess, considering how many mechanical parts are inside it. I'm betting it's the CD player or one of the circuit boards.
I think I'd use the line-inputs. Connect a rechargeable bluetooth receiver, if I had it now.

I had the GPO Brooklyn. I took it all apart. Ended up getting rid of it. But, I admit I have sometimes regretted not keeping it in pristine condition. The Brooklyn is, by far, the closest thing to an 80's looking boombox, imo.

So, the speakers were good quality. Especially the woofers. Large magnets, maybe 16 oz. They measured just shy of 6", but I think they'd classify as 5.5" drivers. Rubber roll cone suspension. I think I measured their free-air resonance to be in the 80 Hz range. The tweeters were old style 2" paper cones and I thought their
sound was well detailed and clean.

The Brooklyn employed separate left and right channel D-class amp chips. No heat sinks attached. I may still have the chip model written down somewhere. I'd have to look.

The overall construction was decent. I did not notice a lot of 'play' when using the various knobs. Bluetooth worked well and connected easily.

The vibration you speak of, if the same as I noticed, was directly and indirectly due to the CD player. The mechanism which moves the laser rattles from the bass resonance. But, I also think the rear of the cabinet needed more support. Especially around the huge GPO emblem on the upper-rear portion. That part of the rear panel is very thin and it also resonates. Very annoying.
I also noticed some vibration noise due to the top or the unit where the front and back halves joined. imo, GPO should have covered the joining edges with a thin layer of felt, to suppress resonation.
And then there is the woofer sub-enclosures. Unlike the Manhattan, the brooklyn is all plastic. The sub-enclosures work, to a point, but the plastic resonates quite a bit and you can hear the resulting hollow sound emanating through the rear bass-reflex bass ports.
Then, to make matters worse, the rear bass ports were not left open, but instead, covered with a plastic screen of sorts. That only exacerbated the resonation and forced the air through small openings, to cause some annoying chuffing, as if there weren't enough noises already.

I tried to suppress the CD mechanism resonance without success. I think the mechanism vibrated due to the manner of mounting. The CD player was attached to the top of the unit, only. It is my opinion that resonance traveled down the mounting posts and into the CD player. I think it should have been braced to more than just the top of the unit, for structural integrity. All I ended up doing was f...king up the damn mechanism, trying to eliminate the noise. Very frustrating.

I tried adding compressed closed foam to areas which seemed poorly supported, without success.

I tried fine tuning the internal bass ports and ducts, also without success. But, covering the bass ports completely did offer some slight improvement. I also tried adding damping material to the sub-enclosures, but, you cannot really make a cheap plastic cabinet sound good. That was a waste of time. It is my opinion the speakers should have been placed in totally sealed enclosures, or open the entire back.

There are other quirks with the Brooklyn. Too many to go on. With all that, I still like the unit. Its appearance. Its choices of music sources.

The unit I had, and ruined, I bought for free. I had a gift card and found it on sale at the time. So, I didn't lose much, luckily. I had the silver version. It really does look like a showpiece. I've thought of buying the black version and just leaving it as-is.

But, not many available any more. I've seen used units selling for over $200.

I was hoping GPO might release a new version of the Brooklyn. So far, no such luck.
 

Reli

Boomus Fidelis
Thanks, I will take it apart and see what's up. There's no saving the tape deck though, it's low quality. It rattles badly, like gear noise, and sometimes stops working altogether. The "tape counter" is silly, it's actually just a timer, it doesn't stop when you press stop or pause.
 

BoomBoxStash

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Thanks, I will take it apart and see what's up. There's no saving the tape deck though, it's low quality. It rattles badly, like gear noise, and sometimes stops working altogether. The "tape counter" is silly, it's actually just a timer, it doesn't stop when you press stop or pause.
I never used the deck. I regretfully tossed out all my cassettes many years ago. Another mistake on my part.

The counter is useless. If the counter would at least be tied into the speed of the transport, it might be somewhat useful. As-is, it serves no purpose other than to look nice.

I don't think there are enough screws holding the front and back halves together. Especially around the rear GPO emblem, which is quite thin plastic.

I may have removed a sheet metal cover to see the CD transport. I can't remember, exactly. The underlying laser diode transport is very 'flimsy feeling' and will rattle at certain freqs. The CD module
probably needs to be encased in a sub-enclosure of its own, or more sturdily braced. As-is, it sort of hangs off the top, which, imo, makes it much more susceptible to vibration.

The top middle of the unit , near the CD opening, also seemed to vibrate at certain freqs.

The rear GPO emblem also vibrates.

The vibrating freqs seemed to be around 130-160 Hz, or thereabout. At other freqs, it seemed fine, surprisingly. I imagine the plastic must resonate somewhere around those freqs.

The inside 'walls' which act as a sub-enclosure for the woofers, are pretty thin. As I said, I'd apply an ultra thin layer of felt onto the edges, to reduce vibration and improve seal, when the halves are united.

I found simply covering the rear left/right bass ports improved the sound overall. Hollowness was reduced. Bass smoothed out and was possibly a bit more
extended. I did not notice any noticeable drop in efficiency. But, by sealing the woofers, there is an increased 'knocking' sound of the internal air pressure slamming the rear of the unit.

I would cover all speaker wires with some light foam to eliminate rattling.

As you previously suggested, a thin layer of Dynamat, if you have it, might be a good idea on the inside rear behind each woofer. And maybe apply some along the sub-enclosure sides as well?

The amps are a different issue. I recall looking up the chip's datasheet. There is an AGC pin which I imagine limits output. Probably to keep the unit from overdriving the speakers into clipping. But, imo, they went too far and limited the total volume when employing any of the built-in sources. Even CDs play pretty low at full volume, sadly.

The speaker chrome grills may also vibrate. Again. a thin layer of felt between the face of the cab and the grills would be a good idea.

Another less important issue are the LED VU meters. I find two issues which might be somewhat fixable.

One, the individual LEDs are not defined well. Too much bleed-thru of light ruins the effect. Maybe some kind of darker screen would help improve the appearance?

Also, the VUs sensitivity is too high, imo. Maybe a resistor in series with each VU might fix this. I think the top VU LED should only illuminate at near max volume.

I'm also disappointed the VUs have no markings. Even a standard -20dB to +3dB would be something.

I did it see any pots to adjust the internal inputs of the various sources feeding the amps. It would be nice if the Gain could be increased, or, maybe the AGC bypassed. idk if either is possible.

Be careful if you remove the board holding the tuner gears, mounted underneath. That is a pain in the butt to reassemble properly.

Needless to say, don't over tighten when reassembling. I took the init apart several times. I did the same to the Manhattan unit. The screws always retightened nicely, as long as I was careful to properly line them up and stopped as soon as the screws felt tight.

Also, make certain the rubber stoppers for the handle are properly in place on the left/right sides. They work well, but easily fall out of place when reassembling. Test the handle before inserting the screws!!!!! Otherwise, you'll be mumbling when all the screws are in and you realize the handle is not securely mounted lol. I did that more than once, on both the Brooklyn and the Manhattan.

I'd like to know if anything you do actually works to improve performance. I'll keep an open mind on that unit until then.
 

Reli

Boomus Fidelis
I count a total of 12 screws on the back. That's more than the average 80s boombox, which typically had only 6-10. The problem is they didn't add one near the center where the GPO emblem is. When I tap on that section it rattles. So I might put a piece of Dynamat on there. Actually I usually use Rockmat, which is cheaper than Dynamat.

They also should have used screws with bigger heads. These heads are small. So if you overtighten them, there is a risk you might break through the plastic.

Another thing is the battery compartment. The battery is not necessarily secure, it could shift around. And I'm not even sure why they added that door anyway. It's just another thing that could rattle. Sure, it allows you to replace the battery if you need to, but good luck finding one. I don't see any on Ebay. It's a tiny battery too, and I've heard rumors that leaving the VU meters switch in the "on" position drains the battery overnight.

Speaking of the meters, they're silly, I hate "output level" meters. Input levels are so much more useful.

The buttons under the meter might be rattling too.

Also the handle and the antennas could possibly produce rattles too. While the handle is nice and solid, just like an 80s box, it doesn't have any friction in its movement, so it falls down with a bang. They could have easily put some nylon or teflon strips in the pivot points to provide friction, like the old boomboxes had. They should have also put some foam pads where the handle contacts the case.

Overall though, I'm actually happy with the sound, as long as I don't pay it loud enough to hear those rattles.
 

Transistorized

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You would also like this, the DJ Tech boombox. Good styling, MDF back case, soft dome tweeters. But the battery is a 12V lead-acid that needs replacing every 3 years or so.
I was going through batteries fairly quickly until I learned that I needed a deep cycle battery. A standard AGM/SLA battery doesn't like to be pulled down below 12.2V very often. Once I put a deep cycle battery in, along with a 5Ah (aka...Melvin Mod), the DJ-Tech will go 12 hours per charge. The deep cycle is okay will being pulled down to 11.5V without harm. I also bypassed the DJ-Tech's stock charging system. I have found them to not charge as efficiently as an aftermarket smart charger can. I use a Noco Genuis charger that charges SLA, AGM and Lithium 12V batteries. It charges it up completely amd extends AGM battery life. After a full charge, it takes 4 hours of use before the top green light even begins to flicker.

I can certainly say that the DJ-Tech is a diamond in the rough. I am so glad I pulled the trigger when I had the chance. Amazing tuner reception even though there isn't an external antenna. Sounds really good. Like JVC M70 good. With the right song, almost knocks on the door of M90 quality sound. Some say it outperforms the M90, but I can't seem to get to that opinion. At least not with my radios.

The major con:
Weight. It is heavy for what it is.
No longer sold. They don't come up for sale often.

I still have my box and manuals.
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Reli

Boomus Fidelis
So you mean like a Duracell SLA12-5F, right? Is that really considered a deep cycle?

I would say the M90 is superior for classic rock and anything that involves vocals or strings......but for hiphop, the DJ Tech smokes it for bass
 
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BoomBoxStash

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I count a total of 12 screws on the back. That's more than the average 80s boombox, which typically had only 6-10. The problem is they didn't add one near the center where the GPO emblem is. When I tap on that section it rattles. So I might put a piece of Dynamat on there. Actually I usually use Rockmat, which is cheaper than Dynamat.

They also should have used screws with bigger heads. These heads are small. So if you overtighten them, there is a risk you might break through the plastic.

Another thing is the battery compartment. The battery is not necessarily secure, it could shift around. And I'm not even sure why they added that door anyway. It's just another thing that could rattle. Sure, it allows you to replace the battery if you need to, but good luck finding one. I don't see any on Ebay. It's a tiny battery too, and I've heard rumors that leaving the VU meters switch in the "on" position drains the battery overnight.

Speaking of the meters, they're silly, I hate "output level" meters. Input levels are so much more useful.

The buttons under the meter might be rattling too.

Also the handle and the antennas could possibly produce rattles too. While the handle is nice and solid, just like an 80s box, it doesn't have any friction in its movement, so it falls down with a bang. They could have easily put some nylon or teflon strips in the pivot points to provide friction, like the old boomboxes had. They should have also put some foam pads where the handle contacts the case.

Overall though, I'm actually happy with the sound, as long as I don't pay it loud enough to hear those rattles.
You are exactly right. There are quite a few screws, but none for the upper center emblem. I had actually thought of using a piece of wood, maybe 1/8" thick, and screwing it to the inside of the emblem, with the screw heads on the outside. I tried hot glue. But, that wasn't good. Any supporting board needs to be tightly sandwiched to the rear panel in order to function as intended. And, maybe drill a few holes in the board, before attaching, to allow air flow.

Bigger screw heads are always good, if they fit in those narrow screw openings. But, those screw openings may be slightly concave or cone shaped, narrowing nearer the bottom. I did not have an issue using the original screws. But I was very careful not to over tighten. And I made certain the front and back halves were perfectly aligned before reattaching, so the screws went in straight.

I agree, output meters are rather useless. Input meters have a purpose and are useful and visual at any volume level, including use of headphones. I wonder if it is possible to reconnect the VU input wires to some other point on the board, to act as input meters? But that is getting complicated. I'd be happy just shading the LEDs to lessen their brightness. For what it's worth, the VUs on the Brooklyn are much preferred over the stupid fake spectrum analyzer display on the Manhattan. I really hate that one.

idk what to say about the battery. I liked the idea it is user replaceable. But, can a replacement be found, is the question?
The battery is rather small. The battery for the Manhattan is twice the size.
But, the included battery works ok, from what I remember. I do not recall any degradation of sound when using the battery.

The foam inserts within the battery compartment and on the back of the battery door are actually well designed. My beef is there is an opening, from which the battery cable protrudes, and it allows air from inside the boombox to escape and enter the battery compartment. That could cause some rattling. If I had that boombox again, I'd consider caulking that hole, or using a piece of closed cell foam to seal it off completely.

The handle is heavy and solid and simply falls when it is folded down. What I had done is placed a small strip of foam along the top of the unit, where the handle rests, when down, to prevent rattling. That worked well. Or you can use a couple of small felt feet with adhesive backs, which you can buy at Dollar Tree. Space 4 or 5 small feet or 'dots' along the top, where the handle rests.

I think the rubber grommets, inside, which hold the handle in place, do a good job as being anti-resonant. idt you need to worry about that.

There is a battery drain. The unit has a clock function. That may be the reason for the drain. The simplest way around that is simply to leave the unit plugged into a wall outlet. I think the included charger is a floating design, and should not cause damage if left plugged in and charging. It should only charge as needed.

On the other hand, when using the unit as a portable, on battery power, the unit will continue to drain, even when switched off. The only real way around that quirk is to wire a simple single pole single throw micro switch ( similar to then switches on the front of the unit). You could secure the micro switch near the battery door, outside, or inside the battery compartment. Just wire it in series with the positive battery cable.
But, keep in mind, when you flip that switch to the OFF position, to prevent battery drain, you also cause loss of power to the clock, which means it will have to be reset every time. It's not a win-win solution lol.
I was going through batteries fairly quickly until I learned that I needed a deep cycle battery. A standard AGM/SLA battery doesn't like to be pulled down below 12.2V very often. Once I put a deep cycle battery in, along with a 5Ah (aka...Melvin Mod), the DJ-Tech will go 12 hours per charge. The deep cycle is okay will being pulled down to 11.5V without harm. I also bypassed the DJ-Tech's stock charging system. I have found them to not charge as efficiently as an aftermarket smart charger can. I use a Noco Genuis charger that charges SLA, AGM and Lithium 12V batteries. It charges it up completely amd extends AGM battery life. After a full charge, it takes 4 hours of use before the top green light even begins to flicker.

I can certainly say that the DJ-Tech is a diamond in the rough. I am so glad I pulled the trigger when I had the chance. Amazing tuner reception even though there isn't an external antenna. Sounds really good. Like JVC M70 good. With the right song, almost knocks on the door of M90 quality sound. Some say it outperforms the M90, but I can't seem to get to that opinion. At least not with my radios.

The major con:
Weight. It is heavy for what it is.
No longer sold. They don't come up for sale often.

I still have my box and manuals.
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Out of curiosity, would a smaller battery, like the 12V starter battery used on electronic start self-drive lawnmowers work, for such boomboxes?

These batteries are fairly small, compared to riding lawnmower batteries or golf cart batteries, and come with floating chargers. Just wondering? I never tried anything like that. Such batteries cost maybe $20-$25 and whatever for their respective chargers.
 

Transistorized

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Out of curiosity, would a smaller battery, like the 12V starter battery used on electronic start self-drive lawnmowers work, for such boomboxes?

These batteries are fairly small, compared to riding lawnmower batteries or golf cart batteries, and come with floating chargers. Just wondering? I never tried anything like that. Such batteries cost maybe $20-$25 and whatever for their respective chargers.
Technically, you could use any 12V battery that would fit inside the casing. The radio comes stock with a 4Ah battery which is a little smaller but has reduced run time. A 6Ah battery is the largest I can fit inside the radio. I have thought about even changing the battery to a completely different chemistry like a lipo battery to save a little weight, but the concern I have with that, would be if someone plugged in the stock charging cord. The internal charging circuit is intended to charge a SLA battery. I suppose I could disable the internal charging circuit to prevent that from being an issue, but sometimes it's nice to use the radio plugged in and not pulling from the battery.

In addition to the battery, the radio is heavy due to the entire rear enclosure being made of MDF with a plastic and metal front with aluminum trim rings and metal speaker grills. The speaker magnets are huge also.
 

BoomBoxStash

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I have 2 li-ion batteries I pulled from units I trashed. The larger is a 14.8V 4A.
I'd like to find an appropriate charger for the battery. But I've read too many horror stories of people using the wrong charger, not made for specific li-ion, resulting in fires or even explosions.
The mentioned battery would be perfect for powering smaller amps made for car stereos and such.
I have several decent quality speaker drivers. I'd like to build a bluetooth speaker with AC and DC options. Not having a proper charger is the only thing holding me back right now. Frustrating.
 

aiwapanasonic

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"a thin layer of Dynamat, if you have it, might be a good idea on the inside rear behind each woofer. And maybe apply some along the sub-enclosure sides as well? "

On a related but different topic: padding for woofers - I've heard elsewhere the same thing, that some sound dampening material could improve the sound quality from some speakers.

Is there a specific type - foam vs rubber; thick vs thin; and where do you stick it - on the back behind the woofer, or back+sides? Does it matter what speakers you have: wood/plastic; and with/without ports?

Does it improve sound quality or just reducing rattle?

edit: after a quick google search, this is what I found recommended for open speakers: bubblewrap :clap:

and for closed speakers: fibre fill
 
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Reli

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If I am trying to eliminate vibration on the speaker cabinet, I add a few strips of Dynamat/Rockmat to the interior walls. This is the same material people use inside their car doors to reduce panel vibration. In a boombox, you are reducing the nasty upper-bass resonance (~200 Hz), allowing you to more clearly hear the low bass under 100 Hz. This is most important for closed/sealed 3-piece boomboxes that lack well-designed ports.

Fiber-fill is for a different purpose, you are trying to break up the sound waves and eliminate reflections, which is the same reason people hang acoustic panels in their home. A simple rectangular room with hard floors and no acoustic panels on the walls is bad for sound quality. The same is true for a conventional box-shaped speaker cabinet with flat interior walls, 90 degree corners, and no acoustic fiber.
 
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"a thin layer of Dynamat, if you have it, might be a good idea on the inside rear behind each woofer. And maybe apply some along the sub-enclosure sides as well? "

On a related but different topic: padding for woofers - I've heard elsewhere the same thing, that some sound dampening material could improve the sound quality from some speakers.

Is there a specific type - foam vs rubber; thick vs thin; and where do you stick it - on the back behind the woofer, or back+sides? Does it matter what speakers you have: wood/plastic; and with/without ports?

Does it improve sound quality or just reducing rattle?

edit: after a quick google search, this is what I found recommended for open speakers: bubblewrap :clap:

and for closed speakers: fibre fill
So, I never heard of bubblewrap as a damping material. Personally, I don't see the purpose. bubblewrap is relatively thick, due to the inflated air bags, or bubbles, which will take up a lot of internal air volume, which may choke the driver snd severely limit its low end bass extension. imo, bubblewrap is a terrible idea. Not to mention the bubblewrap will deflate over time, becoming useless.

From my personal experience, using a closed-cell foam or rubber damping material may slightly help when applied to flimsier materials, such as the plastic construction of boomboxes or plastic speaker enclosures. The idea is to suppress the resonance of the plastic. And also to reduce reflection of the interior sound waves back into the woofer cone (intermodulation distortion).

What has to be understood, is it is a band-aid effect. You cannot really 'fix' a bad design, or a cabinet designed of inadequate material.

Also, there is much misconception as to the effect of even costly materials, such as Dynamat.

The fact is, bass frequencies will not be blocked by any internal damping. Consider a vehicle loaded with large subs, driving past your home, in the evening. The loud obnoxious booming bass thumps can be heard all through the house, as the vehicle drives past. Those bass freqs vibrate the walls, windows and then radiate right into your living room or bedroom. So, how can a thin layer of any material stop that bass?

Any such material will slightly reduce, or more accurately slightly lower the resonant freq of the plastic cabinet. That will help a little. It may reduce the hollow sound created by the higher resonating plastic reflecting and reacting to internal bass waves. However, it is useful in reducing vibrating sounds.

Open cab, or bass-reflex types are more susceptible to such hollow sound because the reflected waves exit the cab and we hear them. Sealed cabs do not share this problem, and may sound smoother, to some extent.

Materials like felt and heavier foam, such as old fashioned carpet padding, work pretty well, from my experience.

Keep in mind, adding any layer of rubber, foam or felt damping will slightly reduce the amount of internal volume or air space within the enclosure, via displacement, which may sometimes have negative effects, especially if the internal cab volume is limited, in the case of many boomboxes.

Polyester fiberfil or, as in the old days, fiberglass, serve a very different purpose. The material may slightly soften the sound, in the case of a woofer (not subwoofer), which reproduces mids, and even some treble, The mid and higher freqs are weaker and slightly more likely to be somewhat damped, internally, reducing internal reflections back into the cone.

However, the main effect is to change the internal cab into a thermal-accoustic effect (I can't recall, off hand, the actual correct term). The reason fiberfill is added to cabs is as follows:

A given driver will create a certain amount of pressure within the cab as it moves back and forth. The force of movement causes air molecules to collide, causing friction. The driver acts much like an electric motor and just as a motor, it creates heat. The friction caused by molecules colliding also creates heat. Heat causes more energy released within the cab. More energy increases air molecule movement, thus increasing pressure, especially in sealed cabs where there is no release of pressure. The more internal pressure, the stronger the push-back against the driver, reducing driver efficiency and raising the cab's system resonance, which ultimately affects bass response.

Adding fiberfill to the sides and rear of cabinet change the internal interface of the driver to the cab. Now, you have a layer of light fiber material which readily allows air molecules to pass through. As the internal air passes through the fiberfill, the individual fibers absorb some of the created internal heat (a heat sink effect). By reducing the heat, or more accurately limiting its rise, internal air pressure does not rise as quickly, thereby maintaining a better , more stable bass response. This is why it is said that adding some fiberfil damping will 'trick' the woofer into thinking it is in a larger box lol. The same driver in a larger box, will not affect the internal air volume as much, because the relative size of the driver is smaller compared to the amount of air in the larger cab. So, not as much heat and friction is created and less air pressure is the result, in a larger cab. Similar to the results of a smaller cab loaded with fiberfil.

I hope this explanation isn't confusing lol.

But, from my experience, adding fiberfil is trial and error. Too little won't hurt, but too much will begin to reduce, or more accurately displace internal air, thus negatively affecting the driver performance and bass response.

Ultimately, the lower the resonance of the cab material itself, the better, due to the material being closer to inert and less likely to 'color' the sound. That's why MDF and particle board are good choices. they are heavy and dense.

Plastic is light and stiff and resonates at much higher freqs and 'colors' the sound. As the plastic resonates, it generates sound waves which we hear as annoying colored sound. That's why a bass-reflex plastic cab will sound hollow. You are hearing the effect of the bass reflecting off the plastic and causing the plastic cab itself to vibrate and generate unwanted sound waves.

In the old days, I recall seeing a cool floor speaker cab design. The cab consisted of two layers of heavy wood or MDF. There was an inner layer and then an outer layer, with a small space in-between, maybe a fraction of an inch.
The space is then filled with sand!

Such a cab will nearly deaden any resonation, thus allowing the woofer to more accurately reproduce sound without color.

But, just the thought of trying to lift or move such a cab hurts me lol.
 
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BoomBoxStash

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If I am trying to eliminate vibration on the speaker cabinet, I add a few strips of Dynamat/Rockmat to the interior walls. This is the same material people use inside their car doors to reduce panel vibration. In a boombox, you are reducing the nasty upper-bass resonance around 200 Hz, allowing you to more clearly hear the lower bass. This is most important for closed/sealed 3-piece boomboxes that lack well-designed ports.

Fiber-fill is for a different purpose, you are trying to break up the sound waves and eliminate reflections, which is the same reason people hang acoustic panels in their home. A simple rectangular room with hard floors and no acoustic panels on the walls is bad for sound quality. The same is true for a cheap square speaker with flat interior walls, 90 degree corners, and no acoustic fiber.
If I am trying to eliminate vibration on the speaker cabinet, I add a few strips of Dynamat/Rockmat to the interior walls. This is the same material people use inside their car doors to reduce panel vibration. In a boombox, you are reducing the nasty upper-bass resonance around 200 Hz, allowing you to more clearly hear the lower bass. This is most important for closed/sealed 3-piece boomboxes that lack well-designed ports.

Fiber-fill is for a different purpose, you are trying to break up the sound waves and eliminate reflections, which is the same reason people hang acoustic panels in their home. A simple rectangular room with hard floors and no acoustic panels on the walls is bad for sound quality. The same is true for a cheap square speaker with flat interior walls, 90 degree corners, and no acoustic fiber.
I'd like to update my above reply, if you will.

I am a novice. An audio enthusiast, ever since the mid 70's. I am not entirely certain I understand some of the principles which I described, above.

For instance, the fiberfil effect.

I do know the fiberfill does pull heat out of the air, internally. However, as I was sitting here, I must admit I am not entirely sure how it positively affects the bass driver.
What I mean is, I stated the heat energy causes more motion of the internal air molecules, which I stated then increases air pressure.

The above may not be entirely correct. I know, for a fact, that increased movement of air lowers barometric pressure, by thinning the air, hence, the dropping of air pressure prior to a storm, or why your shower curtain is pushed inward when showering.

Therefore, I am not entirely comprehending how the thermal effect of the fiberfil enhances the interface between the bass driver and the internal volume? I just know that the thermal effect is definitely part of that equation.

Just thought I'd clear that up before anyone began asking questions lol. I don't like to mislead anyone.

As for the discussion of flat aluminum drivers, I never liked the sound of the Sony square woofers. But, I never liked the sound of any aluminum woofer, either. imo, the aluminum material colors the sound. Every material has some coloring effect. Less is always better, imo.

Flat drivers have their theoretical pluses. But they also have their minuses, as Reli points out. The same goes for standard conical cones and curvelinear cones, which I remember coming out back in the 70's or 80's, and which I never liked, either. To me, curvelinear cones also sound weird.

Sometimes I have to take a step back and just be amazed at how a simple cone mounted to a motor-like assembly can reproduce as many different instruments or voices as well as they do. It's quite a feat, I think. Sometimes I feel like I am being overly picky lol.