Working out the bugs

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Lasonic TRC-920

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A short time back member Fresh Produce and I made a deal and I acquired this Helix HX-4700. It's a tad smaller than a J1 and around the same weight, but by no means the same quality of the J1. I worked on it last year for Peter making a battery door for it. But it had all kinds of problems.

First, the system would not power up on batteries, but the problem really was in the fact that the previous owner used 10 different screw's, some wood screws, some phillips, some flat head, some metal, some way too long some too thick to hold the back case on. Getting them all out was a mess and took some time.

Once all the screws were out, it took some deoxit on the AC switch where the power cord plugs is, a very common problem on these old radios and it started working on batteries.

But that was the least of this radio's issues. It's biggest problem was the fact that the whole radio seemed very low on power output and even more so on the left channel. Also, if the radio was jarred, by banging on the top, the volume would come up, sometimes staying up, then the next time you moved the radio, back to crap!

This weekend I spent about 5 hours with the back off looking through the radio for a possible culprit.

Here is what I found...

At some point in this big blasters life someone spilled a soda into it. The PC boards had soda on them and smelled of caramel. I cleaned them all with 91% isopropyl alcohol and a soft brush.

In the cleaning I found a lower PC board that had been covered in soda also had 3 bad solder joints at a connector where the speaker wires attach. This PC board houses the headphone and mic jacks below the cassette decks. I resoldered them and vola, SAME PROBLEM!

OK, back to tracing lines. I then found that the left channel would come to life a little if the EQ sliders on the low end were moved around. Out came the EQ for a full clean and deoxit.

Reinstalled and there was a slight improvement.

I then found a connection between the amp and the EQ that was below the top PC board that seemed to be the problem. It had 6 crimped connectors inside a larger connector plug. It was full of gooey soda. I cleaned it all and YEP, that was the MAIN problem.

I hit the knobs with deoxit and got them all freed up and the sound came through at full volume.

One thing that is very interesting about this radio is the LED meters. They sit right above the EQ and do the strangest dance I have ever seen on a boombox.

With the EQ out I was able to gain access to the back of the LED display. From there I was able to trace the wires to the main board. The interesting thing is, there are only 3 LED's! One in the middle and one at each end of the meter line. The thing is, what looks like LED lights are infact prisms. And the lights don't seem to flash for any particular reason.

The light in the center is clear in a blue sleeve, but it shows as green on the front of the radio. The left LED shows as orange on the front of the radio and the right side doesn't work. It appears there maybe a bad diode some where as they are all getting power, but the right one is getting 14 volts and the center and left are only getting between 4-7 volts. So that needs to be dealt with.

But they don't really flash to the beat of the music and sometimes they don't flash at all. So, not sure what's up with that. I may scrap that design and build something better and brighter as these are very dim.

The alarm does not seem to work, so I will play with that in the future.

A side from that, the box performs well now. It's still a big creaky heavy beast. Next time I have it open I will take off the handle and see if that can be worked out.

Both decks do work, but the sound quality is as if the heads are worn out. It does have a line in and I have modded it for bluetooth. The FM stereo comes in loud and clean. AM / SW 1 / 2 work as they should.

Next, I think I'm going to swap in some Lasonic 931 woofers and tweeters. It actually has 6 speakers, 2 woofers, 2 mids and 2 pizo tweeters, but I swear the woofers are just connected at full range and the sound is harsh.

The pizo's have to go, a nice set of tweeters and mids would make a huge difference and choking the woofers off in the correct spot would help a lot.

It's coming along...

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JustCruisin said:
Sounds like ur getting the bugs worked out! Lasonic speakers will def change the look of that all black box..
Yeah, white speakers might be odd, but I can get them in all black as well and I have a set of 931 chrome center caps!

Cpl-Chronic said:
looks like a cross between a C-100 & a Wheely. I like it. Hope you get it running properly.
Yes, the red stripe around the speaker makes it look like a C100 and it's size and colors have a Wheely thing going on. Member Mac Daddy Freshness has one is better shape, but this one is getting there. I need to find the creaks in the handle / top of the case. It's got that discolite feeling going on.
 

im_alan_partridge

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I clicked this topic with my hands over my eyes as I thought the title may have meant literally getting old, dead bugs out of box :sick:

Well done for your perseverance, this box looks like it should thump hard :yes:
 

Lasonic TRC-920

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im_alan_partridge said:
I clicked this topic with my hands over my eyes as I thought the title may have meant literally getting old, dead bugs out of box :sick:

Well done for your perseverance, this box looks like it should thump hard :yes:
Sorry about that....I kind of thought that might happen after I posted this thread. Thankfully, no dead bugs.

This radio looks like it should thump hard and I think the structure is there, but the set up is all wrong. It's a loud box (now), but it's more sizzle that slam. I'm fairly sure the woofers are getting full spectrum, mid range speakers are just fuzzy and the pizo tweeters sound like crumpling tin foil.

The inside of this box is, of course wide open, but there is enough room inside to partition off the inside to make speaker cabinets and I might try that if I can find some plastic panels that will be lightweight, yet sturdy. I'm now on the look out for a set of nice mids and tweeters. I also want to try choking the woofers so they aren't trying to handle the 100 mhz to 20,000 mhz range!

blu_fuz said:
Oddball Helix!
Yeah, never seen this model before and then Adrian (Mac Daddy Freshness) shows up with the exact same one!
 

Lasonic TRC-920

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Yeah, it would be a smaller brother as it's just slightly smaller than a J1 and we know where that fits into the Wheely size comparo :w00t:

This thing is a beast, but the handle is that of the Discolite. It creaks so bad it freaks me out and I'm afraid it's going to hit the concrete.

I sure could use one of those knobs!!!!! (Adrian needs one too)
 

blu_fuz

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I'm 99% sure that is the exact knob from the Wheely and all of the AKAs. Maybe blasterpunk has one in his stash, send him a PM.



PS, I ordered that checkered strap material :w00t:
 

Lasonic TRC-920

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blu_fuz said:
I'm 99% sure that is the exact knob from the Wheely and all of the AKAs. Maybe blasterpunk has one in his stash, send him a PM.



PS, I ordered that checkered strap material :w00t:
Does this knob look like a Wheely knob?

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:eek:fftopic:

OH HELL YEAH! Please count me in for a universal one. Now I just need me a pair of checker Vans!
 

blu_fuz

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What is that off of?


I think the wheely D shaft knobs have a longer leg sticking out the back and does not have that little dot detent on the face of it.
 

Lasonic TRC-920

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blu_fuz said:
What is that off of?


I think the wheely D shaft knobs have a longer leg sticking out the back and does not have that little dot detent on the face of it.
That's the volume knob off the Helix. Could the D shaft be cut down?
 

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blu_fuz said:
Wheely knob

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PERFECT!

I'll take it! :yes: :-D :lol: :lol: :lol:

On a serious note, I will hit up Blasterpunk and see if he has anything like that OR find me a local 3D print shop and ask what they charge.
 

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The work continues....

I just spent the last few hours working on this radio. I opened it up again to have a look at the tweeter situation and see if I had anything laying around that could improve this radio.

This is what I found...

First, one of the mid range speakers was not working. So there was a problem right off the bat.

The way this radio was wired up was, the woofer is full range and the mid and pizo tweeters are choked off the same capacitor. :thumbsdown:

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Don't you like how the person soldering the pizo tweeters melted the shi@t out of the case from the factory! :-/ :thumbsdown: :nonono: :huh:
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I started looking through my collection of crap and found 2 mids that I pulled from my Toyota MR2 stereo system. The exact size and 4 ohm that I needed! A little dirty, but PERFECT.

Stock on the left, MR2 on the right.

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Next I had some Logitech desk surround sound speakers that I pulled apart that ended up being just what I need. They are actually mini drivers (not to be confused with the actress Mini Driver). I may swap them out for real tweeters down the line, but for now, they sound great.

(Testing off the GE 3-5286A to make sure they work, plus, I needed some tunes while I'm working! :thumbsup: )

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The MR2 mids had their own capacitors and so did the Logitech's that I used as tweeters.

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To say there is an improvement would be the understatement of the year!

Now there is plenty of EVERYTHING!

Bass: CHECK, since cleaning the EQ, the bass is solid and if I so choose, BOOMING!

Mid Range: CHECK, now I have both mids working which brings up the overall volume of the radio!

Tweeters: CHECK, now that I have these set with their own capacitors the highs are clean without SIZZLE. If I can say anything to those reading this thread, any time you come across pizo tweeters, JUNK them and put in real tweeters. It will always make a big difference.

Other things worked on....

Tuners indicator: Someone replaced the tuning indicator needle with one from another radio. It doesn't fit right and kept getting hung up on a screw mount, but I made some adjustments and re-hot glue gunned it to the tuning string and now it works fine.

Rear case screws: As previously mentioned, there were issues with the screws that hold the back on this radio. One of the posts was broken and I have epoxied it, but I have yet to put a screw in it, the top middle screw was stripped and that is the load bearing mount nearest the handle. Because of all this is the reason the case creaks so much. It's not the handle. Once I get all these repairs buttoned up, I will put in the last screw and put weather stripping around the perimeter when I seal it up for the last time.

Anyway, it's getting there!
 
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