I want to say, that I certainly didn't post this thread to get good people arguing. More than anything, it was posted so like minded individuals may say "Hey, that is interesting and I get it". not to start a fight or some lost debate.
There are plenty of places to find information. The last place I personally would ever look would be any major news outlet who sells commercial time as their main source of revenue, politicians mouth or corporations opinion.
MyOhMy said:
Humans are too greedy, selfish and stupid to ever come close to 'solving' global warming. Sorry but it's true. :-(
And to think, despite all scientific knowledge gained by world class experts on the subject, we still have idiot politicians who still don't 'believe' !?
When all these old fart politicians are long dead and buried, our kids and their kids will be suffering the consequences........
Rant over
No personal reflection on your good self, I posted this previously on this thread:
"......the millions who blindly believe everything the MSM tell them via the ubiquitous TV set will never accept they can be/may be manipulated, influenced or unwittingly controlled."
When presented by one side of an argument only by controlled media, items such as linked below are commonly suppressed to advance one particular view only:
"31,487 U.S. Scientists Reject Global Warming Hoax"
"A growing list of 31,487 U.S. scientists (and counting) has signed a petition strongly rejecting as unproven the hypothesis of man-made global warming or climate change. These signers include four NASA astronauts, at least two Nobel Prize winning physicists, 9,029 Ph.D.s and some of the nation’s top climatologists. Only U.S. scientists are included in this particular petition. Only relevant scientific fields are included."
It pays to consider both sides of an argument to be better informed.
Christine, that's a very interesting website. I just went and had a good long look at it, but aside from the big headline, there isn't any content. There is a link to a bunch of names, none explain who those people are or their qualifications, no links to further explain if they are actual people. There are no links to the NASA scientists mentioned, no links that even say which NASA scientists signed this, just a list of names. I clicked on every single link on that site and they are all dead ends, with nothing linked to information that backs up the headline "
31,487 American scientists have signed this petition,including 9,029 with PhDs"
But you are right, it's important to consider both sides, but it's more important to find where that information is coming from.
Here is a personal experience I have had....
I have a good friend, I've have known since 1999. I met her while living in the mountains above Los Angeles in a private community called Pine Mountain Club. Here, we lived for 15 years on the back side of the highest mountain in Los Angeles county, Mount Pinos, (8847 feet). Her name is Zina Dean, she is 62 years old and is a California native seed expert. For the last 40 years she has been working with many companies on large infrastructure projects in the state of California. If a freeway interchange is built or a solar power plant is built, California law states that the land must be reseeded (for erosion purposes) with California native seed to protect indigenous plants and animals. Her and I used to hike together, every night at 5pm after work for years. I have had extensive conversations regarding her experience and the changes she has seen in the environment. She has gone in to detail relaying information from the yearly national industry conferences she goes to.
The interesting fact is, because of the changes they are seeing, they are having to change the way they do business. The types of seed they buy, the altitudes that these plants will now grow, the receding migration of plants and the pattern changes, based on information of the last 150 years from people that have logged data from farming and cultivation in the area since records have been taken. She is a wonderful woman, but dead serious when it comes to the work she does.
For her, this isn't about media information, or political motivation, this is her hands in the soil. If she makes the wrong purchases, she and her clients go out of business in a multi billion dollar a year industry.
I have had dinner many times over the years with many of her colleges, professionals at the highest level in their field. Their conclusion is, there is a change in their industry. There is a change in the way that they have to conduct business. There is a receding in plant species brought on by changing weather patters that have become permanent and to these people, global weather changes are very real.
My point is, I trust her word over some website that claims global warming is a hoax. Anyone can create a website, but when an entire industry is forced to change directions, there is something to be said.
I know I am long winded here....
Another example...
In the city of Ventura, California, where I moved from before coming to Italy, NRG's Mandalay Generating station and Ventura County publicly announced they were looking to spend $68.4 million dollars to move the one and only power plant that powers Ventura County from it's location on Oxnard Beach. Ventura publicly announced they want to move the station to higher ground due to " sea level rise caused by climate change" That's an awful lot of money to spend on something that isn't real.
Lastly, here is something in your neck of the woods Christine, here is a company that has invest huge amounts of resources into a product they hope someone buys. If they have no customers, then they are fools for making that investment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V4MmwWfLJA
My point to all this is....
A politician who represents a corporation with motives, a news agency that wants advertising clicks or a website with a fantastic headline created by someone to further their own agenda means little. There are real places to find the answers. Power stations don't get moved for the hell of it and a billion dollar a year seed industry doesn't just keep seeding like they did 100 years ago if they want to stay in business.
My sincere apologies if this post sounds aggressive, that's not how I wrote it or wanted it to be. These are just things that I see that help me gauge what is real and what is B.S.
BTW, I read the Paris Accord, I personally didn't see a reason to leave.