JVC RC-880C Radio sounds great, tape sounds awful

Superduper

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The head reverse works typically by having the gear under the head being driven by a toothed lever. That lever (whose teeth are meshed with the head gear) is typically then driven by some form of linkage. If the reversing linkage is not functioning, it could have been distorted from the earlier attempt to reverse while the head was locked (from the screw driver), and this distortion, or bend or whatever might be preventing that linkage from actuating the lever. If that isn't the case, then perhaps the reversing issue is a red herring.

Of greater concern is the issue where the main drive belt was routed wrong. This could have caused issues with the drive mechanism since much of the deck assembly is intended to only run in one direction. On most boomboxes, spinning the flywheel by hand in one direction runs smoothly, but if you try to spin it in the wrong direction, there is usually significant resistance and if you force it, an awful noise usually results. So while adjusting the tape with the incorrect belt routing, the heavy (reverse) flywheel was spinning in the opposite direction. Since it wasn't really being engaged at the time (standard direction), it may not have been an issue. However, the moment you hit reverse, that flywheel likely engaged the reels and other gear assemblies (with all the inertia of the flywheel) going in the wrong direction. Personally, I suspect a deeper disassembly is needed to expose the gears behind the flywheels to see what has occurred. Hitting reverse was a big mistake since you would only adjust azimuth with the head from the normal side. Once you get the azimuth angle correct, the reverse should be exactly 180* and still correct. Furthermore, although the diy folks here frequently recommend tinkering with the azimuth setting by "ear", the correct way to adjust azimuth is with an oscilloscope.
 

amoorey

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The head reverse works typically by having the gear under the head being driven by a toothed lever. That lever (whose teeth are meshed with the head gear) is typically then driven by some form of linkage. If the reversing linkage is not functioning, it could have been distorted from the earlier attempt to reverse while the head was locked (from the screw driver), and this distortion, or bend or whatever might be preventing that linkage from actuating the lever. If that isn't the case, then perhaps the reversing issue is a red herring.

Of greater concern is the issue where the main drive belt was routed wrong. This could have caused issues with the drive mechanism since much of the deck assembly is intended to only run in one direction. On most boomboxes, spinning the flywheel by hand in one direction runs smoothly, but if you try to spin it in the wrong direction, there is usually significant resistance and if you force it, an awful noise usually results. So while adjusting the tape with the incorrect belt routing, the heavy (reverse) flywheel was spinning in the opposite direction. Since it wasn't really being engaged at the time (standard direction), it may not have been an issue. However, the moment you hit reverse, that flywheel likely engaged the reels and other gear assemblies (with all the inertia of the flywheel) going in the wrong direction. Personally, I suspect a deeper disassembly is needed to expose the gears behind the flywheels to see what has occurred. Hitting reverse was a big mistake since you would only adjust azimuth with the head from the normal side. Once you get the azimuth angle correct, the reverse should be exactly 180* and still correct. Furthermore, although the diy folks here frequently recommend tinkering with the azimuth setting by "ear", the correct way to adjust azimuth is with an oscilloscope.
Thanks! I’ll investigate the head and lever linkages shorty. To provide some clarity on the belt routing, here’s a diagram.

It was in the original configuration at the time of the screwdriver incident. Auto reverse worked fine at the time but auto stop kicked on at times. I can’t recall which direction or if it was random. I thought it was tight tapes.

Here’s a short video showing manual spinning of the flywheels in both directions, no power, play not engaged.


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amoorey

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Here’s a video focussing on trying to trace and understand the reverse direction switch linkage. Interesting note: the head is showing the green, forward arrow but the led on the front of the box is lit for the reverse direction.

 

amoorey

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Never give up!
I have an AKAI GXC-735D auto reverse cassette deck that I took lots of time and fixed most of it. The problem I have now is with the play head not locking in place when you hit play on the feather touch button. I made over 15 attempts to fix it, but all ended up in vain. Still cannot figure out how it locks in place. :sadno: :sad:
Oh snap! Sending positive vibes your way. This is when I think about buying another of the same box to see what’s going on, just to complete the puzzle!
 

amoorey

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Video from the front showing play button engaging while powered on and reverse direction gear being operated.

 

amoorey

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There’s a lot going on here but I think I’m getting closer if only I knew how this thing was actually supposed to look like:-)

The reverse direction lever triggers quite a few things. I think the nasty sound might simply be from pushing it too far.

But, the head refuses to turn. Does anyone what usually turns it? Electrical? Mechanical? I can get it to turn by physically pushing on the piece that passes movement on into the gear below the head and everything looks in order with the gears and the spring. But, if I can’t see anything that would contact and move the piece in my absence. This video shows things somewhat clearly.


And here is the exploded parts view for anyone good with puzzles.
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Superduper

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To provide some clarity on the belt routing, here’s a diagram. It was in the original configuration at the time of the screwdriver incident. Auto reverse worked fine at the time but auto stop kicked on at times. I can’t recall which direction or if it was random. I thought it was tight tapes.
You say that REV worked fine with the belt routed incorrectly. Maybe you mis-remembered. However, if you think that the wrong belt routing allowed reverse to work properly, then you are clearly misunderstanding how capstan needles work with cassette tapes. At the other end of the flywheels are the capstan needles which rotate in harmony with the flywheel as they are a fixed part of the flywheel assembly. When the tape is pinched between it and the pinch roller, the tape will be pulled from one reel to other. However, if both flywheels are routed in a loop as in the first example, then both the FWD and REV capstan needles will run in the same direction. You obviously can not have the tape being fed in the wrong direction, so during REV operation when the tape is supposed to be pulled, it will simply be bunched up at the head because the tape will be going in the backwards direction. Also, it's unclear whether the REV take up reel is driven by the main flywheel or the REV flywheel so we don't know what direction that reel will be spinning, if at all. But if it's spinning in the take up direction, but the capstan is running in the opposite direction, the take up reel won't be taking up anything, it will be pulled backwards instead. Also, if the flywheel is going in the wrong direction, then all of the gears etc that is meshed and expected to go in the "proper" direction is going backwards. More concerning is if RV is switched with the flywheel in motion.

BTW, the arrows are arbitrarily drawn to indicate how the reels will either rotate in tandem, or in counter rotation, not to suggest that is the current direction, which depends on whether the motor spins CW or CCW. Regardless, the result would be the same except in the opposite direction.

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