Actually even though the 838 is highly thought of, I still think that it is underestimated. Considering that it predates some of the best by a number of years, even more so. Off the top of my head I think it is circa 1978. It sounds amazing to me and fun to find the best sound setting for different songs. I paid alot for my 838 and 838 series 2 and I would do it again. But this price is way above that and too much for this sketchy condition. Dead true mint, with manuals and a box anything could happen....