By Passing & Adding a New Amp Question

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Lasonic TRC-920

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JVC Floyd said:
ever heard of the spruce goose? lol. it happens every farking time . trust me i know lol. shiat starts out logical them after about 24 hours you are trying to figure out how your gonna carry it and and how many lawn mower batteries you will need.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Oh, I've seen your threads! :yes: The old "Cut First, Measure Later, PM Norm" thing seems to always apply with me!


JVC Floyd said:
i got a busted up incomplete total pos vz 2000e i'll donate to the cause if the pay the shipping . the perfect box to rebuild on. has a lot to work with but its just a husk.
Thanks for the offer, But I have something EVEN BIGGER in the works! Just finalizing he deal now and then it's ON!
 

Superduper

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Lasonic TRC-920 said:
OK, wow...I really opened up a can of worms with this one....
Well, just trying to make the point that it may not be as simple as the question seems. The original circuit is calibrated as a whole package. Component tuners and amps and preamps and decks etc are designed differently, expecting to be modular. In circuits expecting to feed multiple outputs, there are usually some isolating componentry as well as a buffer amp to ramp up and prevent loading down of the circuit. You simply can't draw a square around the existing preamp circuit and power amp circuit on the schematic and expect them to work in a modular way, especially if the orig amp and appurtenant circuitry is still connected. The preamp transistors are very sensitive to bias current changes and impedance mismatches have a way of causing the bias to drift off spec. Also, powerful amps usually requires an intermediate robust preamp that is capable of outputting more than these small preamps. Some preamps are more powerful than your boombox output amp. They are designed to ramp up the power to feed the hungry output devices. One method of perhaps making this work for you is to take signal from the line-out jacks. Those jacks are intended to feed another component. The only problems are that A: You won't be able to "shape" the audio tonal curve and B: you'll need to use an amp that has an integral volume control. Many amps, especially those T-amps and Digital amps already have their own. Give it a try. Might result in much more cleaner sound than sneaking some juice from the volume pot circuits.
 

Lasonic TRC-920

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Superduper said:
Well, just trying to make the point that it may not be as simple as the question seems. The original circuit is calibrated as a whole package. Component tuners and amps and preamps and decks etc are designed differently, expecting to be modular. In circuits expecting to feed multiple outputs, there are usually some isolating componentry as well as a buffer amp to ramp up and prevent loading down of the circuit. You simply can't draw a square around the existing preamp circuit and power amp circuit on the schematic and expect them to work in a modular way, especially if the orig amp and appurtenant circuitry is still connected. The preamp transistors are very sensitive to bias current changes and impedance mismatches have a way of causing the bias to drift off spec. Also, powerful amps usually requires an intermediate robust preamp that is capable of outputting more than these small preamps. Some preamps are more powerful than your boombox output amp. They are designed to ramp up the power to feed the hungry output devices. One method of perhaps making this work for you is to take signal from the line-out jacks. Those jacks are intended to feed another component. The only problems are that A: You won't be able to "shape" the audio tonal curve and B: you'll need to use an amp that has an integral volume control. Many amps, especially those T-amps and Digital amps already have their own. Give it a try. Might result in much more cleaner sound than sneaking some juice from the volume pot circuits.
That's a very good idea. Hadn't thought of that!

AND of course the radio I am looking at as a donor does not have line out :lol: :lol: :lol: STILL GOOD INFORMATION! :thumbsup: :super:
 

Cpl-Chronic

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Me, personally I would go with an amp that has speaker level inputs. IF you properly adjust the input gain, you can get a signal, just as clean as the LINE level inputs & no fuss with tracing circuits or fussing with design issues. The level input to the amp is a much higher impedance load than the original speakers & therefore the original amp chips will put out a very clean source for the new amp to work with since the output is a small fraction of the original watts the chips were designed to deliver. Win/Win. Also, you can easily revert back to original if it isn't what you wanted without farking with volume pots & preamp circuits.


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k2j

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Cpl-Chronic said:
Me, personally I would go with an amp that has speaker level inputs. IF you properly adjust the input gain, you can get a signal, just as clean as the LINE level inputs & no fuss with tracing circuits or fussing with design issues. The level input to the amp is a much higher impedance load than the original speakers & therefore the original amp chips will put out a very clean source for the new amp to work with since the output is a small fraction of the original watts the chips were designed to deliver. Win/Win. Also, you can easily revert back to original if it isn't what you wanted without farking with volume pots & preamp circuits.


Cpl.
Sounds reasonable. :hmmm: :-)


I think I'm going to tackle a little project at the same time Chris.. The box that I'm doing doesn't have much room inside though.

Found this amp on MCM http://www.electronics123.com/kits-and-modules/Audio-prepower-amplifiers/18W-BTL-Audio-Power-Amplifier.html. Looks good, operating voltage in the correct range for 6-10 D cells. Input volume dependent for output. But its mono so maybe hook up 2 of them. Not a huge amplifier but a bit more than what I'm working with. Now to find a decently small crossover and speakers.
 

Lasonic TRC-920

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k2j said:
Sounds reasonable. :hmmm: :-)


I think I'm going to tackle a little project at the same time Chris.. The box that I'm doing doesn't have much room inside though.

Found this amp on MCM http://www.electronics123.com/kits-and-modules/Audio-prepower-amplifiers/18W-BTL-Audio-Power-Amplifier.html. Looks good, operating voltage in the correct range for 6-10 D cells. Input volume dependent for output. But its mono so maybe hook up 2 of them. Not a huge amplifier but a bit more than what I'm working with. Now to find a decently small crossover and speakers.
I did what Cpl-Chronic is mentioning in Louder Blaster 1, and even with full adjustability it never was clean.

I was hoping to input my radio, cassette and aux the same way it would go into the old amp, but just into a new amp, effectively REPLACING the old amp, but still having use of my volume knob and tone knobs.

That link took me to the website, but not a specific amp.
 
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