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HELP GUYS!!!
Anybody here know what speakers the National (Panasonic) RX-CW50 is supposed to come with from the factory?
Ohms and Watts-wise I mean... (if you have any pics even better)
 

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5" (12cm) PM dynamic speaker 3 ohm.
Tweeter; 3/4" x 1-1/2" (2cm x 4cm) PM dynamic speaker (1.4k-ohm).

Amp puts out 7.5wpc rms so size accordingly. Sounds like tweeters are fake (piezo) jobs.
 
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5" (12cm) PM dynamic speaker 3 ohm.
Tweeter; 3/4" x 1-1/2" (2cm x 4cm) PM dynamic speaker (1.4k-ohm).

Amp puts out 7.5wpc rms so size accordingly. Sounds like tweeters are fake (piezo) jobs.
:thumbsup: Thanks so much Super!!! Do you think 10W would be good enough?
 

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10 watts nominal might be OK. But increasingly, I see speakers rated at max and that won't be enough.
 
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10 watts nominal might be OK. But increasingly, I see speakers rated at max and that won't be enough.
Ok, so, I should get two 5", 3 ohm how many watts speakers? I'd like to get a tweeter for it too and eliminate them piez-o'-shiats... :lol:
 

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Alex. 3-ohm speakers are not common and in my opinion, a little low but probably used since it allows the manufacturer to rate the amp at a higher power output. In my experience, while low impedance drivers do permit the amps to push more power, they do so at the expense of increasing distortion figures too to out of this world numbers. Increasing the impedance will likely result in lower distortion with little or no degradation of "usable" or practical power.

The most common specs you will see are 4 and 8 ohm impedance drivers, and 4-6 ohms is what I would recommend. You can even go with 8-ohm impedance drivers and if you can find some ultra high efficiency 8-ohm variety drivers, you might notice lower distortion and more power too. Lucky for you, 3-piece boxes typically are very flexible and forgiving when it comes to driver selection since the cabinets don't have space issues and constraints like 1-piece boxes.

Generally, the rule is to use the same or higher impedance drivers. Do not go lower than stock unless the owners manual states you can use lower impedance drivers, which would not be likely since manufacturers usually use the lowest impedance drivers they believe their amps can safely handle.
 
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Alex. 3-ohm speakers are not common and in my opinion, a little low but probably used since it allows the manufacturer to rate the amp at a higher power output. In my experience, while low impedance drivers do permit the amps to push more power, they do so at the expense of increasing distortion figures too to out of this world numbers. Increasing the impedance will likely result in lower distortion with little or no degradation of "usable" or practical power.

The most common specs you will see are 4 and 8 ohm impedance drivers, and 4-6 ohms is what I would recommend. You can even go with 8-ohm impedance drivers and if you can find some ultra high efficiency 8-ohm variety drivers, you might notice lower distortion and more power too. Lucky for you, 3-piece boxes typically are very flexible and forgiving when it comes to driver selection since the cabinets don't have space issues and constraints like 1-piece boxes.

Generally, the rule is to use the same or higher impedance drivers. Do not go lower than stock unless the owners manual states you can use lower impedance drivers, which would not be likely since manufacturers usually use the lowest impedance drivers they believe their amps can safely handle.
Ok, that's cool Norm, thanks, yeah it seemed that 3 ohm are NOT that popular and you can imagine in this part of the world.... now, watt-wise how should I go? Let's say I got a 4 ohm driver or even an 8 ohm driver? How many watts should I get?
 

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Alex. If your amp puts out 7.5wpc rms like the SM says, then 10wpc nominal should work but I think 15 - 25 would be ideal. The watts isn't that critical once you can ensure they can handle enough to prevent blowing up. Much more important is the sensitivity -- usually rated in SPL -- the higher the better. A speaker that handles 800 watts but has 78db spl at 1w/1m will probably sound like crap, or at least sound like it's being powered by a coby egg amp. But another speaker rated at 20watts handling but specs at 93db spl will kick asss and sound like a champ with a 50 watt amp.

So.......... suggest you get speakers that:
(1) has 3-ohm impedance or higher
(2) has 10watts nominal or higher
(3) the highest SPL you can find.
(4) if the speaker enclosure is ported, get one with higher x-max rating OR if enclosure is sealed, then tight drivers (lower x-max) would probably be fine. x-max is the amount, in mm of the cone excursion.
 
Superduper said:
Alex. If your amp puts out 7.5wpc rms like the SM says, then 10wpc nominal should work but I think 15 - 25 would be ideal. The watts isn't that critical once you can ensure they can handle enough to prevent blowing up. Much more important is the sensitivity -- usually rated in SPL -- the higher the better. A speaker that handles 800 watts but has 78db spl at 1w/1m will probably sound like crap, or at least sound like it's being powered by a coby egg amp. But another speaker rated at 20watts handling but specs at 93db spl will kick asss and sound like a champ with a 50 watt amp.

So.......... suggest you get speakers that:
(1) has 3-ohm impedance or higher
(2) has 10watts nominal or higher
(3) the highest SPL you can find.
(4) if the speaker enclosure is ported, get one with higher x-max rating OR if enclosure is sealed, then tight drivers (lower x-max) would probably be fine. x-max is the amount, in mm of the cone excursion.
Awesome! Got it! Thanks so much for your time (as always) Right now, I'm scrounging through the house for the speakers to see if I got any with those numbers, if not, I'll buy a pair... although I think in this part of the world I'll be lucky if the speakers come with the ohm symbol and the wattage... I doubt they'll have the SPL on them... really doubt it...
BUT when I move to the U.S. of A. again in the future, I'll be really happy to be able to buy so many "right" things for my beater... I mean boomboxes! :-)

EDIT: Actually I just remembered that I bought a pair brand new Miyako USA (4 ohm 40W) for my Sony CFS 81-S (but after I installed them the boomer didn't sound well at all... these are the speakers... but mine read 40W (supposedly) hehehehe I'm gonna try them on my National RX-CW50 right now!
http://www.miyakousa.com/cat/product_info.php?products_id=897
 
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