Vz-2000 Sound issues

ImCharming

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I recently picked up a vz-2000 in kind of rough shape. Spent the past couple days diagnosing the issues and fixing it up. But I now have a really annoying problem. If any form of speakers whether that be external or the built in ones or plugged in and I turn on the box it makes a horrific screaming noise for 2 seconds even if the volume is turned all the way down. And then it will do it periodically throughout what ever I am trying to play. No hissing or humming....just sounds like two robots yelling and fighting with each other.

Been trying to find the issue online but all I am getting is results for fixing a slight hum to your speakers. Hopefully someone with more knowledge on the speaker side of things can help.

Have video of it but won't allow me to upload it here.
 

caution

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I had a similar issue once and it turned out to be a bad electrolytic cap hanging off the main amp chip. Your mileage may vary
 

ImCharming

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I had a similar issue once and it turned out to be a bad electrolytic cap hanging off the main amp chip. Your mileage may vary
Just got done checking every square inch of every board. Did not locate a bad cap or any loose parts. :/
Going to try a different power cable / batteries to see if there is too much voltage coming through to cause the issue. After that....I have no idea what to do.
 

ImCharming

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For videos, it's best to upload to YouTube or Vimeo, and then post the link here. :yes:
So it works fine sometimes. This first video is from internal speakers playing FM and the random noise that happens sometimes while playing tape/phono/fm

Tried on external speakers and this is the sound I get, (warning might be loud) It will make these noises for 2 seconds or so when I turn it on with internal as well.

 

wayne916

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Think you need a to nail down the faulty component by eliminating sections, I would start by unplugging the Black and white multi connectors to the Turntable, on power up there a couple of solenoids in the turntable that cycle, you may be getting electrical noise as they energizing. Once disconnected try power up again, the other thing to check is do you get the noise if you plug in a headphones.
 

ImCharming

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Think you need a to nail down the faulty component by eliminating sections, I would start by unplugging the Black and white multi connectors to the Turntable, on power up there a couple of solenoids in the turntable that cycle, you may be getting electrical noise as they energizing. Once disconnected try power up again, the other thing to check is do you get the noise if you plug in a headphones.
Disconnected the turn table and it was okay for a second. Then started to make the god awful noise again sadly. And unfortunately I dont have the appropriate jack to fit the headphone port currently.
 
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ImCharming

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Aux in, Mix out have no sound. Internal/external make those noises. I did possibly find a corroded d402 which is the reverse current protector. Not sure if that could be the culprit?
When I initially started hearing this noise I was thinking it could just be too much current being expelled through a speaker?
 

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Superduper

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So…. Line-out makes the noise too? Also did you ever confirm if the noise is isolated to one channel or common to both?
 

ImCharming

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So…. Line-out makes the noise too? Also did you ever confirm if the noise is isolated to one channel or common to both?
I'm sorry, I'm new to some of this. Line out referring to external speaker jack left and right? If so then yes, it makes the noise. I have absolutely no audio when plugged into aux in or mix out.
 

wayne916

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Hi, I think ImCharming means the rear AUX socket, in Europe its a 5 pin din elsewhere i thinks its RCA phono sockets. The rear socket on the VZ2000 is the pre-amp output. Testing to see if the noise is still present the output signal would need to be feed into a external amplifier, if there is no noise from the external amplifier only good quality sound then the only conclusion i can draw is there is a fault in the VZ2000 amplifier section. You really need a scope to monitor the supply rails and outputs, alternately blindly or do a complete electrolytic capacitor change, usually cures the problem as the early caps dry out or leak after 30 years!!IMG_1602.JPG
 

ImCharming

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Hi, I think ImCharming means the rear AUX socket, in Europe its a 5 pin din elsewhere i thinks its RCA phono sockets. The rear socket on the VZ2000 is the pre-amp output. Testing to see if the noise is still present the output signal would need to be feed into a external amplifier, if there is no noise from the external amplifier only good quality sound then the only conclusion i can draw is there is a fault in the VZ2000 amplifier section. You really need a scope to monitor the supply rails and outputs, alternately blindly or do a complete electrolytic capacitor change, usually cures the problem as the early caps

This is all I have on the back of the box. Nothing plays at all through either AUX or MIX. Only sound what so ever I get is internal speakers or external plugged into left or right
 

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Superduper

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This is an extremely complicated device, unlike most typical boomboxes. One look at the service manual and schematics will reveal as much. In order for you to have any chance of success at figuring this out, it is important to narrow down the possible areas of concern and there is actually method to the madness for my questions... as I'm trying to help you narrow this down. I still haven't gotten a clear answer, and so I won't press further and ask a third time, you can decide if you want to investigate further. And if you do, you can just use the following as a guide.

I asked about line-out, whether you are getting sound. On your boombox, this would be the AUX-out ports. Using RCA jacks to those ports, you can run them to another device (amplifier, boombox with line-in, etc) and check to see if the VZ2000 can output a clean signal, say FM for example, and hear it on the remote device. If the oscillation is still present, then because the aux-out ports are located before the tone controls and amplifier outputs in the signal chain, one can reasonably conclude that the issue is before the amplifier and tone controls. If, however, the sound is clean without oscillation at this stage, then the issue is likely isolated to the tone control and after stages including the amplifier.

Your boombox has a 2 dual-amp modules setup for a total of 4 output channels. Internally, the speakers are run in a bi-amp configuration with the Tweeters and the Woofers fed by separate amplifiers. Externally, only the woofer amplifier is fed to the external speakers. See where I'm going with this? There is value to identifying whether the oscillation is present on one side (L/R) and if internal, whether present on either or both tweeters/woofers. If only present on the woofers, then you can conclude the issue is in the woofer amplifier circuit. If only present on the tweeters, then the issue is in the tweeter amplifier circuit. If the issue is present on both, then the issue is either before the amplifiers or a global concern common to both sides, such as power supply, capacitors etc. If the issue is present on only one side, then this issue is isolated to that channel only.

Your internal source signals all run separate paths to the internal signal mixing device. If you are experiencing the issue only on one source, then clearly that source circuitry is the likely area of concern. However, if the issue is present regardless of internal source (LP, Cassette, Tuner, AUX-IN), then the issue is post-mixer stage or a global concern.

Typically speaking, these oscillation noise issues generally are associated with poor connections (including connectors, switches, solder joints, and failing components such as capacitors and component junctions). Accordingly, it is recommended to do a complete system cleaning as this often resolves issues such as these. Note the word, complete and not quick cleaning. Furthermore, if the issue is a failing capacitor, then obviously replacing the bad capacitor is the solution. However, once again, if you don't have the ability to identify the bad capacitor, then a solution, albeit very time consuming solution would be the do an overall recapping of the boombox. This involves replacing all of the electrolytic capacitors. This procedure is often mention in most audio electronics being sold on that auction site when the item is sold as "restored". Replacing all of the electrolytic capacitors often resolves mystery issues and difficult to hunt down gremlins. Because you described the oscillation as loud without the tone controls having any effect of dampening the noise, I'll just take a guess (without benefit of having my questions answered or doing any personal investigation) that the issue is likely in the amplifier stage after the tone controls. This could be exactly the issue that Caution mentioned and you'd be wise to give that further consideration. Good luck.
 
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caution

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Yes, that was why I asked if he could hear anything from the "mix out" jacks.
There is nothing labeled "Aux out" and this distinction may have something to do with the lack of audio from there, perhaps you have to enter a certain mode or press record first.
 

Superduper

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Ah, OK, so I understand the confusion now. From what I can see, in this case, the MIX-OUT is basically just an AUX-OUT or LINE-OUT. Take a look at this block diagram and you can see that the mix-out is essentially split between line signal to the amplifier, mix-out, and rec-level, which is a very conventional structure. Just a labeling difference from what I can see. Click on the image to expand it for clearer view.

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ImCharming

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Ah, OK, so I understand the confusion now. From what I can see, in this case, the MIX-OUT is basically just an AUX-OUT or LINE-OUT. Take a look at this block diagram and you can see that the mix-out is essentially split between line signal to the amplifier, mix-out, and rec-level, which is a very conventional structure. Just a labeling difference from what I can see. Click on the image to expand it for clearer view.

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Sorry about the confusion. Like I said before I am somewhat new to certain things involving circuitry. I am confident in soldering. But when it comes to certain boards it is intimidating. I appreciate all the information from your previous reply and will use it as a guide and do some more trouble shooting!

Apologies if my responses are vague and not helpful, some of this I'm learning as I go and just trying to not be too overwhelmed in the process. haha :drool:
 
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