Minty VS New Old Stock (NOS)

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Superduper

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Since we have all seen the listings where an item is being sold, with a box, and perhaps a suggestion that the item is New-in-box, New-Old-Stock.

Question for you guys that actually have a NIB type item: Does it perform like you would expect from a brand new in box item, even though it is 30 years old? Ok, I should probably qualify the question with the following; I am presuming that mechanical wear items that are prone to age deterioration such as belts and foam surrounds and battery foam might be fubar. What I'm interested to know is if the item still has that brand new smell, that unblemished look, that smooth silky feel to the controls, the positve snapping action of the switches, and does it operate electrically 100% WITHOUT oxidized controls?

Starting first, let me say that I do have a handful of BNIB or at least I believe they are since I didn't purchase them 30 years ago therefore can't claim witness and knowledge of this fact. However, I believe they are because the sellers that I obtained these items from were selling off multiple supposed NIB items and not a single item seller who claims it was found in a basement unused someplace.

I also have a bunch of boomboxes that are very very mint looking, and appear to have minimal wear/tear if any. I could see someone trying to pass these off as minty or even BNIB if they could somehow find a trashy carton someplace to accessorize it.

What I have discovered: To me, the BNIB items all performed flawlessly, I noticed no staticy controls like you would on a used 30+ year old boombox. (The same was observed in high quality home stereo systems too). The controls were all silky smooth, no grabby, chattery, and sloppy feeling knobs or sliders. If you couldn't see the difference, you could definitely hear and feel the difference. That suggests a couple things to me. #1, when stored in the original carton, with plastic bag and dessicant, the controls do not oxidize like one stored in the environment, #2, the "feel" of the controls is directly related to the amount of wear the machine has under it's belt and #3, even though the electronics are all solid state, electrical "wear/tear" does occur with use since the ones I took out of the box all did seem to perform better than their used counterparts. That means that the electronics that were subjected to frequent thermal cycles and dynamic electrical signals did take a toll.
 

trippy1313

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If that's okay, I don't want to get too off topic, but. Can I add, how many have bought BNIB boomboxes, and still have not even tried them?

I've never had a new box, I'm curious about how they perform as well.

I'll edit this post if you'd like Norm. Just curious.
 
Sorry but I've never had the good fortune of obtaining a NIB boombox.
I did buy a Sharp GF-9292 though that had very low hours. That 9292 had never been apart and had switches and sliders that felt super smooth and were static free. No other GF series box I've seen had sliders that were anywhere near as smooth to operate.

I can only imagine how nice these Sharps would have been when new!

James.... :-)
 

Superduper

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jimmyjimmy19702010 said:
Sorry but I've never had the good fortune of obtaining a NIB boombox.
I did buy a Sharp GF-9292 though that had very low hours. That 9292 had never been apart and had switches and sliders that felt super smooth and were static free. No other GF series box I've seen had sliders that were anywhere near as smooth to operate.

I can only imagine how nice these Sharps would have been when new!

James.... :-)
Well that is one experience that is matching of my own, which is consistent with my finding that new (or in your case, low usage) boomboxes don't have the operational issues of clearly used boxes.
 

Lasonic TRC-920

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I certainly hope member Fresh Produce jumps into this thread.

I will say after inspecting his NIB Lasonic TRC-935 while at the same time owning a TRC-935 that the two side by side, though similar are almost completely different creatures.

His 935 is creak free, smooth as glass controls, new car smell and all.

It was the first time I have ever seen a Jumbo Lasonic in "New" condition which reaffirmed my belief that these were indeed really nice systems in their day.

Almost all of the radio's I brought back from Japan a few years back all had the back screw "Virgin Crack" when I turned them to open the radio's up and that is a nice sound! Like popping the hood on a 1964 Chevy and seeing a stock air cleaner and AC unit. NO ONE HAS FARKED WITH IT!
 

SLO

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I've bought 2 NIB radios since I've started collecting. The 1st one was an Emerson CTR-949B. Now back in the day, this was the very 1st boombox I bought with money that I had saved, and from money received on my birthday. Only difference is that the one I bought back then was silver. Anyhow opening my new to me black Emerson many years later was like opening my 1st boombox back then as a kid :-D It was complete with OG plastic around the radio, foam ends from packaging, and power cord. This radio is fully functional on both cassette decks and everything works like a new radio should. A true time warp :thumbsup:

The next NIB purchase was a Lasonic LPC-88. This is complete as well, with all the original plastic around the radio and speakers, warranty card, manual. etc. Now this little guy pissed me off. I popped in my Beastie Boys Licensed to ILL tape, and to my surprise, this Lasonic ate it up like it had'nt had a decent meal in 30 years :annoyed: Which it had'nt. Lucky I had a spare copy. And what little sound I did hear, it sounded like shiat :thumbsdown: Even the radio didnt sound all that great. Now this one showed absolutely no signs of previous use at all, but Im sure some parts just deteriorated from time. I displayed it for a while, but it now sits in the box because I never played it after it betrayed my trust :lol:

Both can be seen here The start to my new Addiction
 

Mystic Traveller

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trippy1313 said:
Can I add, how many have bought BNIB boomboxes, and still have not even tried them?
I have recently bought a NIB Panasonic RX-CT980. The previous owner, my pal in this hobby, scored it in Canada.
Panny is indeed as NIB as it could be. :-)
Acoustic wires are still in a factory fold-up. Before I bought it it had been never powered on to my knowledge.
I asked the owner to check it once. He didn't touch Panny's own wires and used another pair for testing.
I haven't yet had time to unpack and crank Panny up.
Well, it's been sitting in the box for more than 20 years so I figured another month wouldn't make much difference. :yes:

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Reli

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I'm sure that a sealed plastic wrapping would protect the metal parts from corrosion, but I doubt it would prevent the belts from turning to goo.
 

redbenjoe

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how long do you guys predict that the tiny desiccant bags will last ?
30 years ??? or more ?
in case the plastic bag is just the usual cover --but nor a well sealed bag -- it seems to me that
mother nature ( like atmosphere ) will overpower the desiccant in time --then corrosion attacks
the box

i have bought 2 BNIB Kabooms --both were perfect in every way- but only about 5 years old .

also bought one old classic BNIB hitachi --it had that glorious BNIB smell and felt and looked so new-
nothing looks better than an ultra shiny NEW plastic case.
the deck and all the controls were much smoother than any used ' mint' box i ever tried
BUT neither the line in or record worked ??
 

Superduper

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Well you gotta understand the crew here are a bit laid back :lol: and secondly, there might not be that many members with NOS BOOMBOX experience. Except for the lucky few, it typically takes a fat wallet to delve in that territory and could be construed as not a good value since used ones are sooo very much cheaper.

As for desiccant bags, yeah they last a long time unless the packaging has lost its seal. In that case, it's better to toss the pack and replace with a new or recharged pack if resealing (airtight). The reason is that a spent bag could just as well release moisture it had previously absorbed leading to mold where it contacts.
 

redbenjoe

I Am Legend
ok --i get it - thanks
and yup-- i sort of knew we had but very few experts interested in desiccant bags :-)

personally --i am secretly collecting // hoarding them - planning to corner the market -
ready to make a gigantic $$ score when they become scarce and valuable ...

watch for my upcoming desiccant collector website :drool: :thumbsup: :clap:
all you members here can join at the ' insider ' discount
 

Mystic Traveller

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Superduper said:
NOS BOOMBOX experience.
I currently have a few boomers en route from Japan which were declared as NIBs by sellers.
Very curious to see what I actually get. How many real NIBs out of 4. :yes:

Like this SHARP QT-Y7, for instance.

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Beosystem10

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My JVC R5 was n/o/s as bought, but the seller elected to send it in its original box, meaning that the stamp was stuck on that as was the fraggle tape, the "working, no batteries installed" declaration and the sender name and address label.
Fortunately, I managed to get these off with an appropriate stationary solvent but after all this, the VHF aerial had mysteriously vanished and been replaced with an ill fit alternative one - without the box having been opened on its way through to mine. :blink:

To the vendor's credit, she did apologise for her ignorance surrounding the concept of newness and issued a part rebate that I wasn't actually after as [the radio] was cheap and worth the money, plus I bought it to use so would have binned the packaging in any case (not that I did with this one as it's so small that it fits in the divan drawers). More importantly, she has since located and sold eighty radios on both eBay and Wightbay (The Isle of Wight's equivalent of eBay.co.uk) and has been referring to Miller's Guide for her definitions and grading system. I've since bought another from her and she now packs the box within a box within a box so any future items will have an original box every bit as new as the contents and she's asking for advice on anything whose originality she's not so sure about.
 

Cpl-Chronic

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I thin k it depends on the quality of the boombox in question & the conditions that the NOS box was stored in. Good quality electronics will age without deficiencies in a climate controlled environment & still look, feel, sound & perform perfectly, as new but cheap, bic-lighter electronics, I won't mention any brand names, would probably deteriorate more easily in storage & that minty working model may be in better condition than the so called NOS example....

Cpl
 

Beosystem10

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Cpl-Chronic said:
....that minty working model may be in better condition than the so called NOS example....
In the vast majority of cases it will be. Electrolytic (and older, waxed & Philips pitch PIO caps) have short shelf lives if they're not being worked. The electrolytics will usually respond to a simple reformer if they're less than a couple of decades old but some brands are known to respond badly to being placed in a reforming circuit and may be short lived and well without tolerance after such a procedure.
Plessey, Hunts, Toshiba and some - but not all - Horler electrolytics tend to be less than dependable after long periods of storage in or out of circuit and although low humidity and room temperature will help to preserve unused control surfaces in pots, etc. electrolytic caps are much less predictable in their behaviour.
 

Mystic Traveller

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Great thread :-) - made me really impatient to find out how this National would smell when it comes - like new or not?
The problem is I don't know how it smelled 30 years ago. :yes:
Was declared as "never used" by the seller - will see..

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Ghettoboom767

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Great thread, I did buy a NIB well almost,used 5 times and put back in the bag,even has the original packing material covering handle!
Craig 2606 1970' model!!
Controls are silky smooth,all accessories are still bagged and has demo tape.
Deck actually works but is somewhat sluggish,FF & Rewind being sluggish.
Damn thing is 45 years old!! So it's still super close to NIB.
Then I bought a GF-6262 from a guy that really didn't want to ship it, it was his grandpas and he had it on a shelf and never hardly used it,well it is in mint condition, not a scratch anywhere,just beautiful and controls are so silky!!

I do want to get a true NIB as they really bring you back in time!!
I personally know that NIB smell especially after buying a brand new Sanyo M 9970 in 1980' and a Sharp GF-8989II in 81' and that was special!! I remember all that cool packaging and that wonderful new electronics and plastic smell!!!
Nothing like it!!! :)
 
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