Making the case for simplicity

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Superduper

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It never ceases to amaze me that my desktop computer is still running after 8 (or is it 10 :hmmm: ) years.

In electronics, there is something we call MTBF, or mean time between failure. It is the estimated number of hours of operation that it takes for a failure to occur in that device or component. In computers, mechanical devices such as hard disk drives, switches, etc are the worse and fail first. Then comes drivers such as the EIDE controllers and then video cards, etc. Come to think of it, I believe the HDD on my computer has been upgraded once or twice already. Anyhow, 8 - 10 years does not seem like a real long time, certainly not enough for cause of celebration. But considering that CPU's have millions of transistors embedded in them. Then add the chipset, everything on the video cards, and so on. With a computer comprised of so many components, it really IS amazing that the darn thing is still running. But my secret is that the computer is running all the time -- I never shut it down. I'll explain.......

What does this have to do with boomboxes?

Well, every component that a boombox is comprised of, whether resistors, diodes, panel lamps, leds, capacitors, transistors, IC's -- each has MTBF rating. Actually, the reliability of electronics can be computed with a formula. If a resistor has a MTBF of 100,000 hours, it seems like yipee! This thing will run forever, right? That true. Except that the reliability of the entire boombox is the product of ALL the combined components. If 1 resistor is rated to fail after 100,000 hours, a device with 2 resistors means 2 failures in 100,000 hours (or 1 failure every 50,000 hours). Well, considering that a typical medium boombox can have maybe 1,000 to 2,000 components, you can now see how the failure rate, starting at 100,000 hours drops precipitously to some much smaller number and gets progressively worse depending on how many components. The more components, the higher the failure rate of the entire product. Of course you can't just take the number of components and multiply them -- it's much more complicated than that. Each component has a different life expectancy. Some components have very long shelf life. Some such as electrolytic capacitors can wear out just sitting on the shelf. Some are more sensitive to heat than others. The actual formula for computing life expectancy is not important. What is important is that the more complicated the boombox (or electronic device), the lower the combined MTBF. BTW, the 100,000 failure rate quoted above is arbitrary and expressed merely as an example of what happens when you combine multiple components together to form a device.

So while I don't expect anyone to forego collecting Sanyo Big Bens in favor of 9915's, I offer this as interesting food for thought.

PS.. Back to the computer and why not turning it off affects product life ..... one of the causes for failure of electronics components such as IC's, transistors, resistors, etc is deterioration or breakage of lead to substrate junction (or the internal connection of the component lead within). Many factors can contribute to failure but the heating/contraction cycle is a primary cause. Each time a device is turned on, it begins to heat up. When shut down, it contracts. Over time, this heating/contraction cycle will break the connection. In fact, thermal related failure is a very common phenomenon with electronics and we even have freeze spray to help with diagnosing and pinpointing bad devices. By leaving the computer on, it remains at a very steady and constant temperature. The downside, of course, is that it wastes energy and the insides fills up with dust faster, drawn in by the PS fan drawing in dust.

Now, that I have bored you all to death, you can all go back to doing what you were doing.... :-D :lol:
 

redbenjoe

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baddboybill said:
blu_fuz said:
:hmmm: Interesting .
I agree !!!

my son in law --thinks i am an old idiot :-O :-) :dunce: :dunce:
so he never takes any time to explain anything to me -- :huh:

but he makes never less than 100 grand per year
for the past 15 years --working as a computer geek

and all he has ever advised me is.....................
" DONT shut it down "

:-)
 

Superduper

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You all missing the point, which is that all else being equal (meaning equal quality components) the more complicated the boombox, the higher the number of associated components and therefore, the greater the opportunity for failure. I'm not saying of course that you should leave your boombox running 24/7 either. Just wanted to give you all some interesting information.
 

Fatdog

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Thanks for the rather esoteric ruminations on component failure. I also agree with never turning a computer off. Mine is on constantly unless I have really bad storms headed my way. Thankfully, my computer is very quiet.

As for boomboxes, I would imagine that the belts have the absolute lowest MTBF, which would indeed affect the entire boombox.
 

Gluecifer

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Great read, Norm!

I think one of the great things about our community is developing a knowledge base of failure points of certain boombox models. Like the idler tire disintegration on a bunch of GF models. That's the kind of thing that will help countless others and provides genuine troubleshooting that will hopefully save many boxes from being thrown away.

And yeah, i thank allah,/buddha/jesus daily that my BigBen has a working tape deck!



Rock On.
 

DrmZ

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There´s one more thing.
Actually a lot of products are designed to have a short life time.
Best example are light bulbs. Just read this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel
This cartel forced their engenieers to reduce the life span of light bulbs to 1000 hours of work.
And there are light bulbs from the time before this cartel who are still working! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Light

There´s also current examples for planned obsolescence like printers who send a failure message after a pre programmed number of pages or like the battery desaster of the first generation ipod...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence

Thats the dark side of Capitalism. People have to constantly buy new stuff that the manufacture creates more profit every year. And the dumping grounds grow and grow....
:thumbsdown:
 

Reli

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I could see how it might benefit a laptop to leave it on permanently, since laptop hardware is less robust and the heat cycles are more severe.....

But for desktops, I dunno...................it seems like the average desktop owner would upgrade long before any damage caused by shutting it down every day would become a problem...........In my uneducated opinion at least.

When most people have problems with their PC it isn't a hardware problem.........It's because it needs to be re-imaged........Their OS is full of crap they've accumulated over the years. Slowing it down, corrupting it, causing blue-screen errors in the case of WinBlows, etc.
 

Superduper

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I'm pretty certain that reliability factors are calculated and timed to coincide so that warranty period expires just before the computed period of higher failure rates.
 

Fatdog

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Superduper said:
I'm pretty certain that reliability factors are calculated and timed to coincide so that warranty period expires just before the computed period of higher failure rates.
OMG! That is SO true. :yes: Especially with automobiles.
 
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