Left channel almost dead (HHHEEEELLLPPP!!!)

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mmcodomino

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Hi!

So I don't know what to do:
until I opened my VZ2000 up, everything was fine and now the left channel is pretty dead.
If I turn the balance all the way to the left and the volume up to full I hear a very ver weak sound coming from it but it is what is supposed to come out of there at least... :-/
Well, I contact sprayed all the sliders and then that happened, can it have to do with my spray action? I also did that to the other VZ and it turned out just fine.
I am actually really down now that it is all screwed up :'-( .
I have tried everything...
contact cleaner in headphone jack, sprayed the INT EXT switch but without any result :'-( .

HELP! PLEASE! NOW! :'-(
 

stormsven

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Max dude dont get disappointed so fast.. Can be some slider issue. Some of the slider "path" part can be broken. And you have a second one. So no worries dude. Calm down and remove it from selling section. I was just watching whit how much love you have been restoring it. Im sure its goin to be ok :yes: .
 

mmcodomino

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Thanks dude.
I think i have traced the problem but ti does not bring me anywhere. fiddling with the blanace brought both channels back to life for very short but I am not sure if it was no the right channel twice so actually mono.
And some little metal part fell out of the slider's side.
I think that it is all the balance pot but still I cannot fix it. Maybe someone here can. :-/
So I would much rather have this box end up with someone who can fix it.
I cantacted Peter if he maybe has parts for me but since I would need pretty much the whole electronic section I think i can forget it :lol: .
What a shame though :sadno: .
 

stormsven

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Thats happend whit sliders often. Dont worry so much. Its an easy and cheap fix. We should trow away all our mixers if thats a big deal. Dont be in a hurry to disappoint yourself. Just a litle patience :yes: . Im sure all be ok. Youll see :yes: . Bring it to some good service is goin to be a piece of cake for them. Just will need some time to find right size slider. No worry.
 

mmcodomino

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That costs quite a bit of money again which I don't have :-/
I think I would rather let it go right now...to someone who can fix it...or Peter rescues me :lol:
 

Superduper

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stormsven said:
Thats happend whit sliders often. Dont worry so much. Its an easy and cheap fix. We should trow away all our mixers if thats a big deal. Dont be in a hurry to disappoint yourself. Just a litle patience :yes: . Im sure all be ok. Youll see :yes: . Bring it to some good service is goin to be a piece of cake for them. Just will need some time to find right size slider. No worry.

It's not as simple as you say. This isn't just a home built table radio. The replacement needs to have not just the right physical size. In most cases, replacement sliders fitting all the necessary characteristics to match the originals simply are not available. The "fix" is to remove your slider, disassemble it and repair it. Do not lose that part that fell out of the slider Max as that will be essential in the repair..

Replacement slider choices need to have matching:
slider size
correct ohms
stereo or mono.
correct pin configuration.
linear or logarithmic
tonal curve.
correct lever length
correct knob receptor design, shape and size

Obviously finding one that matches all those item variations makes it almost impossible to find a perfect replacement. The best hope is to find one that is similar in physical characteristics so that the internal parts can be stripped to "rebuild" the originals.
 

docs

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I had a similar issue with the volume control pot on my 9797.
After tracing through it all diagnosing where the problem was, I found that in an absolute minute area on the volume circle the dead channel sprung to life.

I took pictures of the pot and how I repaired it to restore sound perfectly.

I'm not sure if a slider is similar to a volume pot but it may be of help, if not apologies.

Heres the info.

I noticed on the 9797 the sound on the left channel was pooped. So I set about opening it up and checking the usuals, connectors and continuity across the speakers etc. The only thing I had noticed is that the volume knob was very loose and didn't really have any friction to it. I was suspicious of this but didn't think it was the root cause, silly me.
Checked the amp chip by jumping the left and right pins and wallah sound came out of the left channel so amp chip was good. Could it be in a more awkward place ? I had to remove the entire board section to get at it from underneath, painful.

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So, thinking the problem lay further towards the input I bought a signal injector and started to put that together so I could inject a signal along the various points to see where it was failing. At the same time for whatever reason I hadn't before, I turned the volume to full while listening to white noise from the radio and noticed that there was a tiny 1mm section that actually made the left speaker come into action! DOH!

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So I set about getting the board out with the pots on it, which is a complete ballache. Opened the pot which is held closed with 4 little angled clips underneath to reveal the brushes.

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In the pic you can see there are 2 brushes. The inner and smaller one was loose when I opened it and you might just be able to tell that all the brush ends were bent and a bit shot. So I simply cleaned this section up and checked the contact side and proved that there was continuity throughout and give them both a good clean, they were covered in too much grease.

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After useing a bit of super glue to reseat the smaller brush and straightening out the brush ends as best I could before going completely bogeyed, it looked in good shape again.

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Left it to set for an hour or two and set about putting it back in the board and the board back in to be able to do a test.
Plugged it in and set to radio and the volume was really low, full whack on the volume and could barely hear it. BALLS! what have I broken now?
The board with the pots on it has a ribon cable that solders directly into the board and connects to the main pcb underneath the tape deck. These are usually secured in place with a touch of glue to the pcb where it is soldered to take the strain off the soldered joints. Needless to say the glue had long since gone and as a result 3 or 4 of the 8 pins had disconnected. Restripped the ribbon, desoldered the underneath of the board and resoldered each wire on the ribbon back into place. Continuity test showed it all to be good.

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Reseeated the board again and did the test.
PERFECT !!!!!!
Audio is even out of both speakers!!!!
I love it when a plan comes together and with a little patience.
 

alfie

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I had the same problem Max :sad: I narrowed it down to the bass and treble sliders being broken and that is far too technical a job for me to deal with. One day i might take it to a repair shop (If I can find a good one). Until then it looks pretty on a shelf with a pretty cool picture disc of De La Soul's 3 feet high and rising :-D
 

sjt1803

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Since the Vz2000 uses 2 seperate stereo audio amplifier chips (ha1392) you need to first do a simple test.
The tweeters run off one chip the woofers the other.
If you connect external speakers the combined audio spectrum is routed to the woofer amp and output on the external jacks.
Normally the signal is filtered so that the high frequencies go to the tweeters.
What you need to do is listen to the tweeters....one channel or both?

If both then your problem is most likely the woofer amp

If one channel is out on both the tweeters and the woofers than probably the amps are good and the signal is not getting to them.

If it worked before you disassembled it .....then did you damage any components on the board? coupling caps for example.
 
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