Lasonic function switch repair - experimental stage

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Macdude443

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So, after acquiring two 931's, one with no working switches, I set out to develop some sort of solution. I couldn't have the little plastic cog duplicated professionally, as the cost was way too high ($5000 for 100 pieces). I decided to buy some mold making products and cast my own part with casting resin. I started with a craft store grade of mold and casting product, which yielded an awful result (see photos). I switched to Alumilite brand for both products and so far have been very happy with the result. I still need to install the cogs, re-assemble the switch and check for strength/durability. There-in lies the hard part. In order to slide the cog back onto the shaft, one needs to file down the lip that was pressed in at the factory. Filing it takes two minutes. The hard part is getting the cog to stay on. If you were to pull out on the shaft, say to remove a knob at a later date, it would come out of the cog gear. That's my current hold up, along with an extremely busy work schedule. The mold is also suseptable to small air bubbles, which can severely screw up the teeth in the final product. Also, I may need to make a new mold after gluing the original part. The hairline crack is somewhat duplicated in the cast piece and I'd hate for it to make a weak point in the final product.

My ultimate goal in this is to make something durable and offer it for a small fee (say, $10/cog $15/set for the time and to cover the cost of the chemicals). This would allow others (who are capable of de-soldering the switch) to fix their Lasonics. I imagine I could also repair them if the boards were mailed to me (or mailed to another technically skilled member).

Anyway, here's what I've got thus far:


Here are all the parts I've duplicated. The first tan piece is the original. The clear version was made with the crafting chemicals. The tan version is alumilite. The alumilite mold is also seen here. It is "High Strength 2" and keeps it's shape extremely well.
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Here is the original next to the first successful cast of the new part:
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Another angle:
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This is a part that suffered from air bubbles in the casting mix. This was the craft-grade product.
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Here is the switch actuator, showing the shaft which had the original fitted and secured on. It has already been filed down in this picture.
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This illustrates how far the shaft pulls out with no gear attached. If it were filed better it would pull out fully. This shows that whenever you pull off a knob, you're putting a good amount of stress on the plastic part.
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Here is a part fresh out of the mold. It isn't perfect, there are some small bubbles.
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Macdude443

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So long as everything comes together, I'm happy to make as many as one man can make. Takes about two hours per gear, if there aren't issues with air bubbles. That includes sanding it to perfection afterwards. As you can see, the good duplicate still needs to be sanded on one side, as it hasn't gone completely through yet. Installing it in a switch is another story.

Thanks for the support. I think I'm in this about $125. Call me crazy :-P
 

Macdude443

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If I were to guess as to how this switch broke, it looks like someone tried to turn it past it's designed travel. Like turning it up to 11, even though it only goes to 10. I figure that because it cracked just after the stop. It'd be interesting to see more of these pieces. If it could be determined that this is the common weak area, an upgrade could be thought out. Maybe more plastic in that section?
 

baddboybill

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Macdude443 said:
If I were to guess as to how this switch broke, it looks like someone tried to turn it past it's designed travel. Like turning it up to 11, even though it only goes to 10. I figure that because it cracked just after the stop. It'd be interesting to see more of these pieces. If it could be determined that this is the common weak area, an upgrade could be thought out. Maybe more plastic in that section?

To bad they couldn't be made out of some kind of metal. Bet then it would last :yes: still a great job :thumbsup: I would definitely be in for one if I needed it but thankfully all my Lasonics with this type switch are trouble free and working good :-) even the 920 has this type switch in them ;-)
 

Superduper

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Glad someone has taken the initiative to make those. Due to popularity and ubiquity of the Lasonics, a repair solution is definitely in order. I've actually started the task of electrically mapping the function switch with the intention of creating a retrofit solution using all new parts that does away with that gear actuated function switch in favor of a relay array for the switching functions. But it would be far more costly than replacing the gear. On the other hand, it would forever eliminate the function switches as a problematic area.
 

Macdude443

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I thought about that, but it has to pass through the board, making it a bit awkward to secure. Or maybe not, the current switch clamps down on the pcb.
 

Superduper

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Macdude443 said:
I thought about that, but it has to pass through the board, making it a bit awkward to secure. Or maybe not, the current switch clamps down on the pcb.

The hurdles are the relays due to cost. The physical aspect can be overcome. In my retrofit project (idea) the new switch is just a 3-position rotary switch that can be mounted directly on the front cabinet with no physical connection with the mainboard, or it could be mounted like the old switch except the extenders will need to be resized. The new switch will then select which bank of relays to throw for that particular function. Such a switch is likely to NEVER wear out no matter how much wear and tear you throw at it. And if it does, then it should be no problem to find a replacement. The relays would be IC reeds that are the size of a small 14-pin IC. They are expensive compared to the larger square ones but consume relatively minute amounts of power. Plus since they are fully encased in epoxy, there's no chance of environmental oxidation or contamination. Except that the array will consist of 18 relays I think (6-poles x 3-throw). The new relay array will simply solder onto the mainboard as a daughterboad using the same footprint as the old function switch. Then a few wires to tether the daughterboard to the new switch and one wire to the main power switch is all that's needed. The lifecycle of these relays are somewhere in the order of hundreds of thousands (if not 6-figure) cycles. Do the math. You can sit there and switch all day long, and never wear them out.
 

Macdude443

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I've used those small 5VDC reed relays before for a Commodore 64 project. They worked nicely, but were a little pricey. I wish I had a schematic for the 931. I'd like to see just how much those switches control. I'm always amazed at the following Lasonic has. I've been inside a lot of older electronics, and this is certainly the cheapest build quality I've seen.
 
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