From “pimp my ride” to “pimp my box”

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panabox1

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I want to increase the power of the dt680. Is the first thing I should look into doing is to upgrade the amp if so how would I go about doing that? I’m looking for increased power, bass (especially low bass) and no distortion. Thank u.
 

Reli

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Upgrading the amp is too much work, and modern class-D amps don't sound as good as the old-school stuff anyway, IMO.

I would focus on the speakers. Take them apart, put Dynamat or Rockmat on the interior walls to reduce resonance, and upgrade the speakers. What size are the woofers?
 

Fatdog

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I would suggest considering new, better speakers. In most situations, the speakers of a boombox are the weakest part.

EDIT: Reli posted while I was typing. :lol:
 

panabox1

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Reli said:
Upgrading the amp is too much work, and modern class-D amps don't sound as good as the old-school stuff anyway, IMO.

I would focus on the speakers. Take them apart, put Dynamat or Rockmat on the interior walls to reduce resonance, and upgrade the speakers. What size are the woofers?
I believe they are 5.25 inches. The dt680 sounds amazing. One of the best bass boxes out there. I just think that if I were to upgrade the amp it would sound even better at higher volume. I believe a better amp will complement the speakers ability even more.
 

Reli

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The problem is integrating the new amp with the preamp, audio sources and other componentry in a way that sounds good and doesn't F everything up.
 

panabox1

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Reli said:
The problem is integrating the new amp with the preamp, audio sources, and transformer in a way that doesn't F everything up.
Yea you're right. It’s so weird though because the deep bass is truly exceptional and as the volume is turned up that deep bass utilizes all of the speaker travel to move lots of air to produce great sound. It’s the mid bass that’s the problem. At a certain volume level, the mid bass stops taking advantage of the tons of speaker travel left to use and more volume only increases distortion. It’s as if the power behind the mid bass is restricted. That seems to be a bad characteristic of dt680 in general because I’ve had several and they all do the same thing. It ruins an otherwise very impressive deep bass monster. I believe a better amp would address this or maybe a lower resistance in the circuitry of the midbass. Changing the speakers doesn’t help. It’s the amp in my humble opinion.
 

Fatdog

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panabox1 said:
...Changing the speakers doesn't help. It's the amp in my humble opinion.
Have you previously tried installing newer, more responsive/sensitive speakers?
 

floyd

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You need a true sub woofer but that will leave a frequency gap between the lows and highs.
 

panabox1

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Fatdog said:
...Changing the speakers doesn't help. It's the amp in my humble opinion.
Have you previously tried installing newer, more responsive/sensitive speakers?
Yes. I connected the speakers from my JVC-PC55 and it’s the same. Headphones is the same too. Deep bass is awesome midbass doesn’t take full advantage of speaker travel and is distorted at higher volume.
 

panabox1

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JVC Floyd said:
You need a true sub woofer but that will leave a frequency gap between the lows and highs.
Why would an amp produce the more power hungry deep bass cleanly yet distorts the midbass ( which requires a lot less power). It makes no logical sense to me. If it has the power for the lows then it’s more than equipped to handle the mid bass yet it doesn’t. Why?
 

Fatdog

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The audio signal might be tuned post-amp. It's been a long time since I've had a DT-680 open, so I don't remember how easy it would be to test the source straight from the amp.
 

Radio raheem

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I find the 680 superb only not loud enough......i can't remember but i think the main drivers are only 1.5 ohms, something like that so i doubt you would find better speakers also the bass ports are tuned along with the speakers...

i wouldn't worry though as i think they sound better than the fabled m90 so that can't be bad.

if you buy the one without cd the tape gain can be adjusted (not on the 680) making it louder yet again

The rx ct990 is the one to get adjustable tape gain dolby and no cd with line in

i remember now, pretty sure the main drivers are 3 ohm.
 
The 680 has 4 amps, one for each speaker with the drivers being fed a completely different set of frequencies. Trying to upgrade the amps is a hiding to nothing. The speakers are specifically tuned to the cabinets. Even slight adjustments here or there will destroy the sound. Ever tried removing the rubber grommets at the rear of the cabinets - completely kills the bass!!
 

panabox1

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I need to get to the bottom of why these things distort midbass. Makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHATSOEVER when the deep bass comes thru so cleanly. Clearly I’m the only one on here who seems to care enough to get to the root cause of it. It ruins what is otherwise one of the best sounding boomboxes ever built. If it wasn’t for the midbass distortion this would truly be a low powered home system. The deep bass is THAT good.
 

floyd

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Its called Doppler distortion , it occurs when the speaker cone moves in and out so far that the sound changes pitch according to the position of the cone.this can be remedied by filtering out those frequency that are causing the distortion.
 

panabox1

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JVC Floyd said:
Its called Doppler distortion , it occurs when the speaker cone moves in and out so far that the sound changes pitch according to the position of the cone.this can be remedied by filtering out those frequency that are causing the distortion.
Here’s what I’ve noticed. If I play a midbass tone and slowly turn the volume up I slowly see the speaker travel increase as well. But then it comes to a point where the speaker travel reaches a limit despite the fact that there is clearly enough excursion for the speaker travel to increase but it doesn’t and continuing to turn up the volume just produces a terrible distorted sound. Yet when I play a deep bass tone the speaker travel greatly increases and produces a clean deep bass tone. Why doesn’t the midbass take advantage of all of that excursion available as I increase the volume?
 

Reli

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What are you defining as a midbass tone? What frequency or type of instrument?

Also what's your music source, and EQ settings on that device?
 
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