Belt size conspiracy?

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caution

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How come I've never seen actual specs for a belt in a service manual? It always just says "Belt, counter" or "Belt, flywheel" etc.

Seems like the most common info techs need, so why leave it out and force the industry to develop a belt catalog?

Did the manufacturers sell this data for extra profit or something? :hmmm:
 

Fatdog

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The only thing I can imagine, is that parts stores were much more prevalent way back when and you didn't really have to worry about such things.

But, yeah, it would make life so much simpler for us now.
 

MyOhMy

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This thought had crossed my mind and I concluded that underlings and mortals weren't privy to this information as electronics were the wizardry of the day (so we were told) and only those with 'The Gift' wouldn't infringe any warranty by repairing such items in bespoke premises at vast expense. Apart from this, I've often thought that in, say, the 20-yrs or 30yrs belts were supposed to last the item itself would be technologically redundant or otherwise obsolete therefore replacement belts wouldn't be needed.
 

caution

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Yeah Fatdog I guess it would have made it really easy for a shop to just buy one catalog and get all the sizes, instead of having to buy every service manual just for the belt size. But the manufacturers must've known the sizes they used, seems strange to leave it out of the service manual.
 

nikonfoo

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Yea im sure they wanted to sell the belts they supplied and didn't want to give out to much info on sizes
to the techs
they were going to keep getting money if you were not going to buy the next product like ink for printers
great logic its just basic sales
Its only now when they have stopped support that we have to work it out because there ares no spare parts
But the great thing is we are working it out as this is a dead product for them but not for us
And I love that part that you need to pull it apart and work it out the fact there is no exact manual


MyOhMy said:
This thought had crossed my mind and I concluded that underlings and mortals weren't privy to this information as electronics were the wizardry of the day (so we were told) and only those with 'The Gift' wouldn't infringe any warranty by repairing such items in bespoke premises at vast expense. Apart from this, I've often thought that in, say, the 20-yrs or 30yrs belts were supposed to last the item itself would be technologically redundant or otherwise obsolete therefore replacement belts wouldn't be needed.
I had boxes back in the day really a rubber belt was never made to last 20 or 30 years
I remember talking with friends about belt eaters especially Sharp
and having to replace belts in 2 or 3 years
and at the time without internet was almost impossible to fix yourself although I tried with rubber bands and stuff
but to ask a tech it was almost cheaper to buy a new one
 

Superduper

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There is no conspiracy. Service manuals are proprietary material intended for service centers to order replacement parts directly from the manufacturer. For that reason, they list part numbers consistent with their own internal inventory control system. Listing length, thickness, etc. suggests that any belt meeting those criteria would work properly, and they don't always do. Was the belt made in China? USA? Is the material and thus, characteristics the same? The fact that some old belts turn crispy like potato chips and some turn to goo suggests they aren't all made of the same material and therefore the characteristics aren't all 100% the same. I have seen some decks are extra finicky even if the same size belt was used.

Now, 40 years later, all of these parts are obsolete and no longer available from the manufacturer so the sizing data is really useful for aftermarket use, but not really for a manufacturer since again, providing such sizes would suggest that the manufacturer condones similar sized belts as equivalent performing and they can't because they simply can't know for certain in every application that aftermarket belts will perform the same as OEM. Some components, for safety reasons, must be ordered directly from the manufacturer or they will list the special characteristics. Examples are transformers, capacitors, etc. Although today, you can order generic aftermarkets to replace a blown transformer, the manufacturer would never officially condone their use since they aren't tested to their specifications. Plus the fact that everything is out of warranty by now, it is moot since there's no longer any reason to take an official position on any replacement part -- probably they'll tell you to buy a new more modern one instead and retire the old out of warranty set.

But if you think back 40 years, a unit brought in for service under warranty would receive genuine manufacturer supplied parts. Otherwise, no manufacturer would pay for warranty repairs unless the factory part was ordered. Furthermore, if you were a service center, you charged the customer whatever the parts cost along with the service charge. Why would you want to risk a call back to save the customer a few bucks? After all, you might save them a few bucks using aftermarket stuff but YOU, as the service center would have to eat any redos. I remember decades ago purchasing some used decks and the sellers even provided me with either new OEM spares or the packaging of the replacement parts used to repair the units. They were manufacturer parts.

On the other hand, generic replacement parts where manufacturers don't typically provide their own such as capacitors, resistors, etc, will generally list the details such as resistance, tolerance, wattage rating, etc in the remarks column. With respect to parts are proprietary such as in many JVC chips, they probably don't since there is no generic equivalent. An example would be VUC0002-001 in the M90. It's merely listed with part number and no remarks at all.
 
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