Adafruit push button power switch controller

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baddboybill

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Has any one ever seen the adafruit switch controller for a momentary switch? I really wanted to keep my M70 more stock so I added three more incandescent bulbs and the adafruit switch controller for my M70. Don't get me wrong Norms LED kit is the best but I really wanted the look with incandescent but more brightness plus the tuner light to be able to stay on if I want. I think it came up pretty sick take a look for yourself !!!!IMG_4880.PNGIMG_4881.JPGIMG_4882.JPGIMG_4879.JPG
 

trippy1313

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Looks great Bill! Those are incandescent bulbs? They're pretty bright. It does give it a more natural look.

I definitely love my blue led kit from Norm. I don't think you could go wrong looks-wise either way.

I'm surious how you installed that switch. Did you happen to take pics?
 

baddboybill

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trippy1313 said:
Looks great Bill! Those are incandescent bulbs? They're pretty bright. It does give it a more natural look.
I definitely love my blue led kit from Norm. I don't think you could go wrong looks-wise either way.
I'm surious how you installed that switch. Did you happen to take pics?
Thanks!!! Actually I wish I had took pics but I've been so busy with the new house I just needed to get it done. But I will say I bypassed the mini button built into the controller and used the stock button on M70 just like Norms. Plus the controller is smaller than a quarter and as thin as one as well so I was able to place it right next to the meters. The controller also has a built in red led showing power to it so I placed it down so no light from led would show anywhere.
 

baddboybill

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Will said:
Where would that switch go?
It's actually a controller to turn the momentary tuner light switch on steady or off. I put it next to the meters here. It's the size of quarter as well as thick as quarter.IMG_5599.JPGIMG_5599.JPG
 

Superduper

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Hmm, interesting. I think I can find some uses for that part.

Bill, while I understand that you like the look of incandescent, there are some technical considerations that you should think about with what you are doing. At the factory, they installed a momentary switch. However it's not like JVC doesn't know how to rig up a normal on/off switch. It's because the current consumption of incandescents is high enough that it can affect battery life. My LED system consumes probably about 20-25mA. A single grain of wheat bulb consumes about 100mA. If you put a total of 4 of those bulbs, you are consuming 400mA of current. If you think about it for a sec.... 20 vs 400 mA, that's a huge difference. The second issue is that it looks like you are powering the circuit from the meter board. If you consider where the circuit gets it's power from, studying the schematic shows that it is powered through the X505 voltage regulator, which is a Sanyo 2SD439e. Look at the datasheet:

2SD439E
  • Sanyo Semiconductor
  • Si NPN Power HF BJT
  • V(BR)CEO (V)=18
  • V(BR)CBO (V)=20
  • I(C) Abs.(A) Collector Current=1.2
  • Absolute Max. Power Diss. (W)=8.0
  • I(CBO) Max. (A)=1.0u
  • h(FE) Min. Static Current Gain=100
  • h(FE) Max. Current gain.=200
  • @I(C) (A) (Test Condition)=500m
  • @V(CE) (V) (Test Condition)=2.0
  • f(T) Min. (Hz) Transition Freq=150M
  • Package=TO-126
  • Military=N

The absolute max power dissipation is 8W and the max collector current is 1.2 amps. At the absolute ratings, it is presumed that the only safe way to handle that is with heat sinks clipped to the transistors, which I'm pretty sure they do not.

Using ohms law and presuming the constant of 100mA published by several grain of wheat bulb specs I saw in a quick search, I come up with .4A consumption and 4.8w for 4 bulbs@12v. Both figures are within the limits published in the transistor datasheet.

HOWEVER. That regulator also powers the following:
  • Tuner light
  • Power LED indicator
  • MMS system including the control system
  • Cassette Motor
  • Cassette Auto Stop system including the plunger
There is no way for me to calculate the power consumption of all those other systems, much less if they are all being used simultaneously. Suffice to say however that with an added 400mA load (on a system with max 1.2A total rating), there is a risk of blowing that regulator, or running it very hot for an extended period which could cause scorching of that area of the board.

The alternative is to power your incandescent lights from a non-regulated rail. However, then power concerns manifest. The X505 rail is regulated to exactly 12V. The unregulated rails could range from 15v (on batteries) to over 19v (on AC). Since that adafruit states 14v max, and there is a concern that any of those 2 figures could run the bulbs too hot, maybe blow them, it seems that you'll then need to rig up a separate regulator system as well.

None of this suggests that you can't operate your setup in the manner you currently are. Much the same as to suggest that it's not safe to operate a boombox with 2-ohm woofers (ignoring minimum impedance guidelines recommended by the factory and most any technical guru's). However, I'm just looking at this from a technical aspect and of course, that involves future reliability of the project. Blowing that regulator isn't the end of the world, but it is in a very difficult spot to access on the board without extricating the main PCB which is a real pita. And of course battery life would be a concern with that large of a power consumption jump. Just food for thought.....
 

trippy1313

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Okay, so you don't have to actually push the button on the adafruit switch?

You can wire it inline with the original switch and basically change it from momentary, to off/on?
 

baddboybill

Boomus Fidelis
trippy1313 said:
Okay, so you don't have to actually push the button on the adafruit switch?

You can wire it inline with the original switch and basically change it from momentary, to off/on?
The mini switch actually pops out. ( not soldered ). And you solder in wires ;)
 

baddboybill

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Superduper said:
Hmm, interesting. I think I can find some uses for that part.

Bill, while I understand that you like the look of incandescent, there are some technical considerations that you should think about with what you are doing. At the factory, they installed a momentary switch. However it's not like JVC doesn't know how to rig up a normal on/off switch. It's because the current consumption of incandescents is high enough that it can affect battery life. My LED system consumes probably about 20-25mA. A single grain of wheat bulb consumes about 100mA. If you put a total of 4 of those bulbs, you are consuming 400mA of current. If you think about it for a sec.... 20 vs 400 mA, that's a huge difference. The second issue is that it looks like you are powering the circuit from the meter board. If you consider where the circuit gets it's power from, studying the schematic shows that it is powered through the X505 voltage regulator, which is a Sanyo 2SD439e. Look at the datasheet:

2SD439E
  • Sanyo Semiconductor
  • Si NPN Power HF BJT
  • V(BR)CEO (V)=18
  • V(BR)CBO (V)=20
  • I(C) Abs.(A) Collector Current=1.2
  • Absolute Max. Power Diss. (W)=8.0
  • I(CBO) Max. (A)=1.0u
  • h(FE) Min. Static Current Gain=100
  • h(FE) Max. Current gain.=200
  • @I(C) (A) (Test Condition)=500m
  • @V(CE) (V) (Test Condition)=2.0
  • f(T) Min. (Hz) Transition Freq=150M
  • Package=TO-126
  • Military=N
The absolute max power dissipation is 8W and the max collector current is 1.2 amps. At the absolute ratings, it is presumed that the only safe way to handle that is with heat sinks clipped to the transistors, which I'm pretty sure they do not.

Using ohms law and presuming the constant of 100mA published by several grain of wheat bulb specs I saw in a quick search, I come up with .4A consumption and 4.8w for 4 bulbs@12v. Both figures are within the limits published in the transistor datasheet.

HOWEVER. That regulator also powers the following:
  • Tuner light
  • Power LED indicator
  • MMS system including the control system
  • Cassette Motor
  • Cassette Auto Stop system including the plunger
There is no way for me to calculate the power consumption of all those other systems, much less if they are all being used simultaneously. Suffice to say however that with an added 400mA load (on a system with max 1.2A total rating), there is a risk of blowing that regulator, or running it very hot for an extended period which could cause scorching of that area of the board.

The alternative is to power your incandescent lights from a non-regulated rail. However, then power concerns manifest. The X505 rail is regulated to exactly 12V. The unregulated rails could range from 15v (on batteries) to over 19v (on AC). Since that adafruit states 14v max, and there is a concern that any of those 2 figures could run the bulbs too hot, maybe blow them, it seems that you'll then need to rig up a separate regulator system as well.

None of this suggests that you can't operate your setup in the manner you currently are. Much the same as to suggest that it's not safe to operate a boombox with 2-ohm woofers (ignoring minimum impedance guidelines recommended by the factory and most any technical guru's). However, I'm just looking at this from a technical aspect and of course, that involves future reliability of the project. Blowing that regulator isn't the end of the world, but it is in a very difficult spot to access on the board without extricating the main PCB which is a real pita. And of course battery life would be a concern with that large of a power consumption jump. Just food for thought.....
Awesome info Norm. I kinda figured it was using more but since I don't use my boxes for very long periods of time and rarely take any of my units out with batteries I'm not to worried about that. As for the 3 extra bulbs I used 12v using 60MA. Not sure what the original bulb MA is but it doesn't seem any brighter than other 3 that I used. Trust me I may switch over to your led mod but for now I wanted the incandescent look!!! Plus I had the light bulbs already and I really wanted to try the adafruit control switch.
 
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