Very constructive all, this will help us eventually put the crap to bed whether we completely leave S2G or not. Freddie that's a very mature offer and one that offers a way through this if handled well, do I think it will well not really because it requires all to act in a mature fashion and accept criticism. S2G currently has a dictatorship that is not interested in fairness, change or even accepting some responsibility. It may take some time but I think the answers are getting clearer every day, sorry to say but the good old days at S2G may be gone due to actions of a few however bobby has given us all the ability to return to the great joy known as boomboxery now.