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#1 panabox1

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 09:42 PM

https://www.cnet.com...eactor-preview/

#2 Superduper

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 12:49 AM

Yeah, ok.  I don't care.  Even if it could go down to 1hz, I'm still not gonna buy one.



#3 Rimmer36

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 01:01 AM

same here, looks like a snail and have you seen the price :w00t: 



#4 samovar

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 01:41 AM

If our passion was ONLY about, say, hifi quality or power of output, I guess nobody would collect boomboxes :lol: Impressive but not for me. At that price (the infamous ONLY $999) I'd rather buy myself a grail



#5 Rimmer36

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 02:24 AM

ok my question is this?? it goes down to 16 but at what level or how much thump  do you get at 16 hz,,,,,my system used to put out that much low bass it used to rattle my balls lol and even then you need the equipment to use it with, it can not be done by the speaker alone



#6 lupogtiboy

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 08:02 AM

And there was me thinking 33Hz was the 'magic' frequency! :lol:



#7 nikonfoo

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 08:38 AM

Simple ??????

NO !!!



#8 BoomboxLover48

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 08:42 AM

I need the bass to feel on my chest!

For the same price one can get a B&W DB4SGB Subwoofer.

Why to settle for that midget toy!

 

 

#9 panabox1

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 08:43 AM

Look at how small it is compared to its big brother which is already relatively small compared to high-end cabinet floor speakers. Pretty impressive if u ask me.
https://darko.audio/...-carousel-27518

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 11:15 AM

Frequency response data is useless unless it includes the decible dropoff.  There's no way it can play 18 Hz as loudly as it can play 1,000 Hz, for example.



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Posted 16 October 2018 - 11:16 AM

I have curled out better looking .



#12 BoomboxLover48

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 11:18 AM

Look at how small it is compared to its big brother which is already relatively small compared to high-end cabinet floor speakers. Pretty impressive if u ask me.
https://darko.audio/...-carousel-27518

the cost?????? :-) Ugly looks!



Frequency response data is useless unless it includes the decible dropoff.  There's no way it can play 18 Hz as loudly as it can play 1,000 Hz, for example.

Plus if our ears can detect that. 



#13 JVC Floyd

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 12:05 PM

You can't hear bass that low but you can feel it, also you have to have a pretty big woofer to keep it from distorting or blowing all together.

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 02:10 PM

Should this go in the Bluetooth speaker section? It is Bluetooth right?

#15 Superduper

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 05:13 PM

Probably should go straight into the trash section instead.

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 06:17 PM

Looks like an evident upgrade path for Bose WaveRadio owners... Oops, no such creatures here or at Audiogon community :-)
I side with Superduper, it is a nice addition to the trashcan!

#17 panabox1

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 08:05 PM

I’m surprised at the lack of respect torwards this speaker. There’s some amazing engineering behind this speaker and it could very well find its way into new-age retro boomboxes for boom box enthusiasts like us in here. In a short time Devialet has literally re-written the audio industry with its Phantom Gold speaker. This smaller speaker called the Reactor is a game charger, I believe.

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 09:06 PM

Evidently, the only way to comment about audio is by hearing the product! My negativity is more with the reviewer: mini-monitors are famous for a few things valued in hi-end (and $1k for the minis is where hi-end is) but not for 18Hz reproduction. Imaging, right timbre, whatever, but not JSBach. The best "canned" soprano voice I experienced was through mini-monitors, and the reason I have floorstanders with ProAc sub is because my tastes in music are more pompous: Pink Floyd, Mahler, the 9th... But even mine, at multiples of $1, fail miserably with pipe organ! To position these as 18Hz blasters smells like WaveRadio: served to a different crowd, not us here...

#19 panabox1

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 09:36 PM

Evidently, the only way to comment about audio is by hearing the product! My negativity is more with the reviewer: mini-monitors are famous for a few things valued in hi-end (and $1k for the minis is where hi-end is) but not for 18Hz reproduction. Imaging, right timbre, whatever, but not JSBach. The best "canned" soprano voice I experienced was through mini-monitors, and the reason I have floorstanders with ProAc sub is because my tastes in music are more pompous: Pink Floyd, Mahler, the 9th... But even mine, at multiples of $1, fail miserably with pipe organ! To position these as 18Hz blasters smells like WaveRadio: served to a different crowd, not us here...

Regarding it’s bigger brother, the Phantom Gold (which is still small), a reviewer had this to say about pipe-organ lows:

“It's fascinating to hear organ-pedal notes emerge so distinctly from such small speakers, as at about 8:30 into the third movement of Ralph Vaughan Williams's Symphony 7, Sinfonia antartica, with Kees Bakels conducting the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra (Naxos 8.550737). I've never heard another speaker in this price range that could reproduce those organ-pedal notes.”

Read more at https://www.stereoph...BQmQeQZ4qU9u.99

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 10:22 PM

the look is horrible. I dont understand what they were thinking of when making this

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Posted 16 October 2018 - 10:29 PM

the keyword there "in the price range", and the reference to RVWilliams Symphony Antarctica... Hi-end for the folks on the budget (and $1k for the minis is where we are) is all about compromises: my stereo of a die-hard flat-earther gives me the thrills of PRAT but no imaging (as we say, who cares where they sit, we are here for the tune!) and no gut-wrenching impact of similarly-priced floorstanders. These reviews, IMHO, do not do them justice by trying too hard to sell "designer's/lifestyle" product to those who care about music, not the looks or convenience



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Posted 17 October 2018 - 12:16 AM

i think jorge has hit the nail on the head, it's aimed at those wanting better than wave radio.....i saw some speakers on ebay that could truly do what this claims and they cost 42 thousand pounds second hand, now that i can belive



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Posted 17 October 2018 - 12:46 AM

not to go off topic but here are the speakers iv seen, any comment to this please do

 

https://www.ebay.co....353.m1438.l2649



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Posted 17 October 2018 - 03:43 AM

the keyword there "in the price range", and the reference to RVWilliams Symphony Antarctica... Hi-end for the folks on the budget (and $1k for the minis is where we are) is all about compromises: my stereo of a die-hard flat-earther gives me the thrills of PRAT but no imaging (as we say, who cares where they sit, we are here for the tune!) and no gut-wrenching impact of similarly-priced floorstanders. These reviews, IMHO, do not do them justice by trying too hard to sell "designer's/lifestyle" product to those who care about music, not the looks or convenience


FYI “in the price range” in that article is the price of the phantom gold which is $3000.

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Posted 21 October 2018 - 02:53 AM

Frequency response data is useless unless it includes the decible dropoff.  There's no way it can play 18 Hz as loudly as it can play 1,000 Hz, for example.

 

This!

Its the reason bass players have bigger speaker cabinets compared to guitar players.

For lower frequencies you need way more power and membran area to match the volume of instruments in higher frequencies.

I does not matter that much how big a single speaker is.

The Ampeg SVT810 aka the fridge has been a popular speaker cabinet on stage for decades because eight 10 inch speakers make a lot of bass.

They can move about the same ammount of air like four 15 inch speakers

 

Also a 18hz wave is really long with a wave length of 19 meters or 62 feet.

Not something for your typical living room.



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Posted 16 January 2019 - 10:03 PM

“Devialet says the speaker has a frequency response accuracy within ±1dB from 25hz to 20,000hz.“

https://thenextweb.c...ost-subwoofers/

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 11:28 PM

Looks like an evident upgrade path for Bose WaveRadio owners... Oops, no such creatures here or at Audiogon community :-)
I side with Superduper, it is a nice addition to the trashcan!

 

Bose Wave was overpriced for what it was.....Same with most Bose products, including the 901......They used very cheap speakers inside, so the only way they achieved decent sound was due to bass tubes and fancy EQ circuitry.  In fact as I recall, you had to buy a standalone EQ from Bose to get the most out of them.



#28 Superduper

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Posted 17 January 2019 - 12:38 AM

@Reli, why do you say that the 901's were junk?  It's true that they require a dedicated EQ in order to perform properly but it is an active equalizer and specifically designed to get the most out of the driver system.  Yes, while it is a bit more inconvenient to require an additional piece of gear, the speakers are designed as a "speaker-system" which includes the equalizer so any reviews need to include that equalizer in order to review the "system" and not just a component of a system.  I've read the reviews and while there are some reviews that trash the Bose 901's, there are many more that rates them well.  In fact, most reviews (including Amazon from 901 customers) are mostly favorable.  They might produce more volume than my Polk SDA SRS 1.2 (not sure, I didn't test and my ears can't handle sound that loud but I doubt they will) but then they are only priced at 1/2 in 2016 of what the Polks costed in 1995.  So they are sold to the mass market and not audiophiles who wouldn't mind plunking down $10,000 ~ $20,000 for a pair of speakers.  I do have a brand new pair of 901 series VI in special black that I acquired in a "lot" purchase about 15 years ago.  I basically made the purchase for the lot of Carver equipment and the speakers came with the system.  Since I never used mine and therefore can't testify about the sound, I'm merely going by what I've read and again, the reviews are mostly favorable, might boil down to individual ears and preferences.  What is true however, is that Bose belongs to either love it or hate it crowds but if the reviews are to be believed, it's mostly love it and for the price, should be a very good value.  As for the Wave Radios, what I can tell you is that the Bose Wave Radio service manual is one of the more highly requested SM's in the AA collection, so is a pretty clear indication to me that owners regard them highly enough to want to repair them when they need service.  Most folks just toss all-in-one stuff when they fail as they are deemed not worth the cost and effort of repair.

 

As for the internet, for almost any subject, there's always conflicting and myth buster types of articles.  For example, just google distilled water and for every website that claims it is good for you, there is an equal number claiming that distilled water will kill you.  It's just PURE water for goodness sake, about as pure as you can get.  My urologist once told me that the minerals (and lack of) in water is insignificant because we consume much more through our food intake than we ever get from the various flavors of water.  But forget about water, just google virtually any food item from tea, coffee, salt, msg, and the # of conflicting reviews and articles abound from so called "experts."  

 

Bottom line is the best reviews are from actual customers and owners.  All the rest is just conjecture or bias due to conflict of interest (such as a supplement seller telling how great supplements are).



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Posted 17 January 2019 - 10:19 AM

Because I dislike companies that succeed not with quality but with hucksterism and cost-cutting. When you use 9 identical drivers, which you also recycled in other models like the 802, that seems like a cost-cutting move to me. If it was such a great idea to use several mid-size drivers, with no tweeter or large bass driver, why didn't most other manufacturers do it?

They may be loud as hell, but does the bass hold up at high volume?  Could you do justice to an action movie soundtrack without adding a subwoofer?  I kinda doubt it. But hey, each person's tastes and music preferences are different, so if they like 'em, fine.

Funny thing, the stands they sold with them didn't even have slots for the wires. So basically you're smashing the wire, making the stand slightly unbalanced.

The reason lots of Bose Waves are still around is because the average owner was older (they sold for $400+) and they just let it sit on a shelf instead of carrying it around outside. So they never got beat up. Also they aggressively marketed them through subcontractors, I actually interviewed with one in the early 90's and they were using deceptive sales techniques to convince people that it could actually replace a full home system. Do they sound good for a small all-in-one device?  Hell yes...….but did the actual engineering inside justify the price? Nah. The only thing sophisticated thing about them was the housing with its fancy internal ducts.



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Posted 17 January 2019 - 10:50 AM

But why would anyone take the wave radio outside? It’s not a Boombox, it’s a table radio. Also, until you’ve personally heard speakers with multiple identical smaller drivers, you might want to reserve judgement until you do. Up until I heard my Polk speakers (which has 8 6.5” drivers), I never expected much bass but man, does it hit hard, in fact much harder and deeper than any 15”, 16” or 18” woofers do (that I’ve heard) in a normal stereo system, and for which these speakers are intended for. You asked if they can get loud without distorting, but I’ll welcome you to visit someday when you are nearby for a listen. I honestly think that even as critical as you are, that you’ll be thoroughly impressed, and your only complaint might be in size. I believe you’ll find that your eardrums will blow out well before the 6.5” drivers distort. I can’t feed them more than about 40w of the 250w available on the adcom amp that’s pushing them before the volume exceeds my comfort level and the speakers are rated to handle some impossible 1000 watts or something like that.

As for action movie soundtrack, come on now, that’s like complaining that a pickup truck doesn’t fit in a garage, or a Prius won’t hold a sheet of plywood, or a dodge demon doesn’t get good fuel economy when going 180 mph. Action movies, or cinema in general should be powered via a home theater audio system which includes, yes, a subwoofer. But when listening to actual music, guess what, home theater systems typically sound like crap. The speaker systems aside from subwoofers are usually comprised of, yep, tons of small drivers spaced all over the room, usually with no tweeters. Music sounds anything but colorful and dynamic, but voices and scores sound great and grenade blasts have that desirable butt tickling shake. But that being said, I believe my Polks might be able to pull it off anyhow. Well, maybe not the earthquake butt shaking rumble of a tank, but gunshots & explosions will certainly push your eardrums to their limits.

Anyhow all I’m saying is try it before bashing it. Bose is a tremendously successful $2B/yr company and regardless of how you feel about them, there’s no doubt that if they only peddle junk, nobody would buy from them again after initially getting taken. Instead, they have a following. Are there better products? Yes, there always is, for almost everything.  Anyway, I don’t know about the door to door sales practice, you have personal knowledge on that so I’ll take your word for it but that’s the subcontractor trying to make a sale, not Bose, and you said yourself that they sound good and in the end, isn’t that what’s important? As to value, that’s up to the end user to decide. All the emails I get from owners wanting to restore their radios however tells me that the owners like them, a lot.

 

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Ok, I'm editing my post.  I just now took a look at eBay and what the wave radio looks like.  It's not what I had in mind, it's the Bose Acoustic Wave music system that gets more interest (although the wave radio too, to a lesser degree).  I'm not going to defend the pricing, as the $499 price tag of the clock-radio looking thing does seem rather high and which I personally wouldn't pay.  But $299 doesn't seem out of line for a good sounding piece of gear.  Perhaps the extra $200 was the commission for the sales "contractor" to make it convenient for you to get one sold to you at your front door.  But don't blame Bose though, it's almost a certainty that door to door sales people will have one with them when they pitch the sale and if the owner listened to it, on their counter, and paid the $499 for it, that's on them.  As for the AWMS, it seems the MSRP is a whopping $2499 which again, is something seemingly outrageous.  But you can get used ones for $200 and for that price, the reviews are mostly all good except for a few that expected more bass.  Anyway, my initial post was in reference to the Bose 901's which priced at $1399 MSRP (you can get them cheaper) which in my opinion and that of many others, is reasonable and a good value.