Get the most out of your boombox woofers - Break in method

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I think we all have heard one or more boxes that are not that great on the low frequencies. And some may have heard individual boxes of the same model that have deeper bass than others. Why it may be so, well, of course there are lot of things that define the characteristics of the sound of an old boombox.

On this post I'll concentrate only on one thing, and that is woofers that are not yet fully "broken in". It means that a woofers cone assembly still haven't flexed enough to have its spider/suspension to loosen up to the point that it is considered to be at its maximum flexibility. So when a woofer is produced, its suspension is usually rather stiff (not always) and the lowest resonant frequency (Fs) is rather high. This means that the woofer reaches its maximum x-max (cone movement) at a higher frequency and when playing lower tones, the woofer actually struggles to turn the electric current to sound.

A woofer needs to be driven at high volume for a decent amount of time for the suspension components to reach their optimal limits, lowering the Fs and getting a better sensitivity on lower frequencies. As the boomboxes usually have only around 2-8 watts per channel with 10% total harmonic distortion (which is a lot), it may be too little for a woofer to break-in as much as it could with more power. So you will need a higher powered amplifier for this method.

For example I'll use my newest addition, the GF-9494X, where I noticed that the right side woofer had much less cone movement and less bass, but the higher bass notes (around 100-150Hz) seemed to have hard punch. When I tested, I noticed that the left woofer had it's maximum x-max at around 80Hz or so (used volume also seemed to play a role, more on that later) but the right one seemed to have it as high as 130Hz!

So, to the method.
(Note: I take no responsibility if you manage to blow up your woofers! Please be careful!)

What you need:
-Woofer(s)
-Amp clamp meter
-Volt meter
-A decent quality home amplifier with no less than 20-50W RMS power output (1% THD)
-PC or laptop (or a dedicated tone generator)
-Internet access or tone generator software (for example http://onlinetonegenerator.com or WinISD)

Also recommended:
-A good ear
-A good nose
-Common sense
-Heatsink (optional, for a better safe margin)

First off, take your boombox apart and remove the speakers or leave them on the faceplate. I suggest removing them for easier handling and control.

Woofers must be "free-air" or installed on an open baffle and NOT enclosured.

Connect one of them to the amplifier.

Make a sound level test, so you have a baseline of how much volume you may need. You can use music or test tone (sine wave).

Connect a volt meter to the + and - of the woofer and clamp meter over one of the speaker leads.

Power is voltage x current. For example 5,35V and 1,00A equals 5,35W.

Adjust the volume so that you can clearly see the cone moving, but are not going above the power rating (usually 2-5 watts) and not driving the woofer too hard.

Now check for your resonant frequency (where the cone moves the most) using the tone generator (use only sine wave!)

Do this for both woofers and start with the one that has higher Fs.

Make the connections again and this time, start with the frecuency that makes the cone move the most.
(If the frequency is very low, under 50Hz for example, the gains from this method may be indistinguishable. I will test other woofers (Goldstar TSR-800 & Crown CSC-850L) to see what numbers I get from them.)
Start with a low to moderate volume and carefully raise it until the sinewave starts to make unwanted noises from the speakers mechanics, or you reach the power rating. Then back it down a bit and let it play with smooth output.
(Sharp for example seems to have very on point numbers, for example 5W NOM 8W MAX, but most may only have the maximum rating and usually more than 10W may just fry the voice coil or even break the suspension. Some have a given wattage range, so its better to keep to those ratings.)

If for some reason you start noticing burning smell, or odd noises, immediately lower your volume or stop completely to cool down the voice coil. You may also use a heatsink (add a bit of thermal grease in between) on the magnet backplate, as it will reduce the heat load from the voicecoil. A slight burning smell is normal and it may not be critical as it depends on the lacquer used on the voice coil.

Play the sine wave for a couple of minutes. You may try to vary it somewhat to see if the sensitivity changes on the other frequencies. You can also search for a more inaudible frequency that still makes the cone move enough, so the test tone will be more pleasant to your ears.

Stop and test for the maximum x-max again and see if the Fs has lowered.

(For the Sharp woofer, I got it down from around 110-130Hz to around 70-100Hz depending on the volume. It seemed that when playing at around 5-6 watts, the maximum x-max was delivered at considerably higher frequency (90-100Hz). When played at a more realistic 2-3 watts, the frequency was around 65-80Hz. I also noticed that when I had a longer pause at testing, the Fs would rise back slightly.)

Continue testing and breaking in as long as you want, or the woofer can handle without getting too warm. It's normal to have the magnet warm to the touch, but for longer break-in, I suggest using a big heatsink on the magnet backplate with some added thermal grease.

The volumes during testing probably exceed 85dB so I suggest some sort of ear protection or positioning the woofer so that it has the least sound output directed to your ears (on the sides). This is a bit tricky because you still need to monitor the sound from the woofer for any inconveniences or oddities.

For the Sharp GF-9494X, I did this and got noticeable change at least on the right side woofer. I think the overall sound is now a bit deeper and warmer with more "feel" to it.

If you have any suggestions, comments or questions feel free to leave them below. :angelic:
 

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Another thing is, surrounds made of resin-impregnated cloth sometimes become stiff with age. I have heard some people used some kind of liquid to soften them.
 

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Line Out said:
I think we all have heard one or more boxes that are not that great on the low frequencies. And some may have heard individual boxes of the same model that have deeper bass than others. Why it may be so, well, of course there are lot of things that define the characteristics of the sound of an old boombox.

On this post I'll concentrate only on one thing, and that is woofers that are not yet fully "broken in". It means that a woofers cone assembly still haven't flexed enough to have its spider/suspension to loosen up to the point that it is considered to be at its maximum flexibility. So when a woofer is produced, its suspension is usually rather stiff (not always) and the lowest resonant frequency (Fs) is rather high. This means that the woofer reaches its maximum x-max (cone movement) at a higher frequency and when playing lower tones, the woofer actually struggles to turn the electric current to sound.

A woofer needs to be driven at high volume for a decent amount of time for the suspension components to reach their optimal limits, lowering the Fs and getting a better sensitivity on lower frequencies. As the boomboxes usually have only around 2-8 watts per channel with 10% total harmonic distortion (which is a lot), it may be too little for a woofer to break-in as much as it could with more power. So you will need a higher powered amplifier for this method.

For example I'll use my newest addition, the GF-9696X, where I noticed that the right side woofer had much less cone movement and less bass, but the higher bass notes (around 100-150Hz) seemed to have hard punch. When I tested, I noticed that the left woofer had it's maximum x-max at around 80Hz or so (used volume also seemed to play a role, more on that later) but the right one seemed to have it as high as 130Hz!

So, to the method.
(Note: I take no responsibility if you manage to blow up your woofers! Please be careful!)

What you need:
-Woofer(s)
-Amp clamp meter
-Volt meter
-A decent quality home amplifier with no less than 20-50W RMS power output (1% THD)
-PC or laptop (or a dedicated tone generator)
-Internet access or tone generator software (for example http://onlinetonegenerator.com or WinISD)

Also recommended:
-A good ear
-A good nose
-Common sense
-Heatsink (optional, for a better safe margin)

First off, take your boombox apart and remove the speakers or leave them on the faceplate. I suggest removing them for easier handling and control.

Woofers must be "free-air" or installed on an open baffle and NOT enclosured.

Connect one of them to the amplifier.

Make a sound level test, so you have a baseline of how much volume you may need. You can use music or test tone (sine wave).

Connect a volt meter to the + and - of the woofer and clamp meter over one of the speaker leads.

Power is voltage x current. For example 5,35V and 1,00A equals 5,35W.

Adjust the volume so that you can clearly see the cone moving, but are not going above the power rating (usually 2-5 watts) and not driving the woofer too hard.

Now check for your resonant frequency (where the cone moves the most) using the tone generator (use only sine wave!)

Do this for both woofers and start with the one that has higher Fs.

Make the connections again and this time, start with the frecuency that makes the cone move the most.
(If the frequency is very low, under 50Hz for example, the gains from this method may be indistinguishable. I will test other woofers (Goldstar TSR-800 & Crown CSC-850L) to see what numbers I get from them.)
Start with a low to moderate volume and carefully raise it until the sinewave starts to make unwanted noises from the speakers mechanics, or you reach the power rating. Then back it down a bit and let it play with smooth output.
(Sharp for example seems to have very on point numbers, for example 5W NOM 8W MAX, but most may only have the maximum rating and usually more than 10W may just fry the voice coil or even break the suspension. Some have a given wattage range, so its better to keep to those ratings.)

If for some reason you start noticing burning smell, or odd noises, immediately lower your volume or stop completely to cool down the voice coil. You may also use a heatsink (add a bit of thermal grease in between) on the magnet backplate, as it will reduce the heat load from the voicecoil. A slight burning smell is normal and it may not be critical as it depends on the lacquer used on the voice coil.

Play the sine wave for a couple of minutes. You may try to vary it somewhat to see if the sensitivity changes on the other frequencies. You can also search for a more inaudible frequency that still makes the cone move enough, so the test tone will be more pleasant to your ears.

Stop and test for the maximum x-max again and see if the Fs has lowered.

(For the Sharp woofer, I got it down from around 110-130Hz to around 70-100Hz depending on the volume. It seemed that when playing at around 5-6 watts, the maximum x-max was delivered at considerably higher frequency (90-100Hz). When played at a more realistic 2-3 watts, the frequency was around 65-80Hz. I also noticed that when I had a longer pause at testing, the Fs would rise back slightly.)

Continue testing and breaking in as long as you want, or the woofer can handle without getting too warm. It's normal to have the magnet warm to the touch, but for longer break-in, I suggest using a big heatsink on the magnet backplate with some added thermal grease.

The volumes during testing probably exceed 85dB so I suggest some sort of ear protection or positioning the woofer so that it has the least sound output directed to your ears (on the sides). This is a bit tricky because you still need to monitor the sound from the woofer for any inconveniences or oddities.

For the Sharp GF-9696X, I did this and got noticeable change at least on the right side woofer. I think the overall sound is now a bit deeper and warmer with more "feel" to it.

If you have any suggestions, comments or questions feel free to leave them below. :angelic:
Being a roadie for a few years & a bit of a speaker geek, I would caution anyone to take care when doing these steps. Also, if you smell burning from your woofers, it's already too late so there's that. If you smell that, it means the high-temp varnish coating the wire that makes the coil is already degrading, melting & close to shorting at some point in the coil. Uh, most paper cone woofers will NOT benefit from this run through & all you are doing is wearing out your woofers prematurely. Mostly, the speaker's response is determined by the spider & less by the outer edge of the driver's stiffness...The spider, for those not in the know, is the supsension surrounding the voice-coil of the woofer, located at the back of the assy, close to the stationary magnet. Most likely the difference in Bass &/or Treble response, unit to unit of the same model would be more about quality & age of the capacitors within the Pre-amp & amp circuits respsectively, as well as the actual voltage output of the amp stage. This can also be affected by power source variances. For instance, here in Canada where power delivery is excellent, most homes can have a supply of 127v AC at the plug even though rated as 120v, etc.
 

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[SIZE=10.5pt]Sounds good in theory, but Speakers are designed and tested to meet specifications. They only get worse with age.[/SIZE]
 

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40 year old speakers, tar treated paper surrounds, 2-5 watts power handling + stress test, (and don’t blame the advice giver...). What can possibly go wrong?

Did I mention 40 year old speakers & they need to broken in? “Breaking it” might very well be the result.
 

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That break-in period is only for woofers with a lot of cone travel what it does is exercise the suspension of the speaker.
 

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I find it very difficult to find new speakers as most modern speakers are 8 ohm instead of 4. Also most of them are too deep because of big magnets. Also their frame is usually flush all the way around, while vintage speakers often have inset screw tabs. To replace them with modern speakers you would have to shave down the screw posts, but if they're already short you can't really do that.
 

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All good points. What I was trying to say is that the time to break in speakers are when they are NEW, to loosen up the surrounds and suspensions. When they are close to 40 years old, they no longer "need" breaking in. Any stiffness present would be due to deterioration and aging of the materials and attempts to stress them at that point will needlessly introduce risk that may lead to their destruction.

While I have no problem with anyone doing whatever they wish to their own boombox, that they purchased with their own hard earned money, but to advise others to do stuff like this (but please don't blame the advice giver) is irresponsible.

What we should do is try to preserve these old machines as much as possible without destroying them. As Reli says, finding suitable modern replacements are hard enough as it is. Fortunately, most collectors have many machines in their arsenal, and any time they wish to listen to music of a different genre, one only needs to change to the set that is better matched to the music they are listening to. When I need that really low deep bass, I simply fire up the kaboom. No sense trying to make a Sharp (which are very brassy sounding to begin with) into a kaboom.... it ain't gonna happen no matter how much you try to break in those speakers.
 

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I have Goldstar TSR-800 woofer that I accidentally broke, trying to make the upper surround a bit looser (by hand), but it was more brittle than I expected and it broke and had about 4-6 cm of a crack in the center elevated part. I thought about repairing it with rubber paint, but then I got the idea of trying a rubber cement (for fixing bicycle inner tubes). I seems like it liquid enough to penetrate somewhat to the old stiff and brittle material and make it sticky and flexible again. I just applied about 8ml, so around 4ml for each 8" woofer. I will report how it turns out.


Reli said:
I find it very difficult to find new speakers as most modern speakers are 8 ohm instead of 4. Also most of them are too deep because of big magnets. Also their frame is usually flush all the way around, while vintage speakers often have inset screw tabs. To replace them with modern speakers you would have to shave down the screw posts, but if they're already short you can't really do that.
I am not 100% sure, but I believe that due to light weight cones and small voice coils, most of the original boombox speakers have quite high sensitivity. Yet most new "hifi" speakers around have quite poor sensitivity, from 83 to 88 dB/W/1m. I'd say nothing under 90dB would pass for me. So looking for a replacement, I'd try to look for automotive speakers from premium brands like Porsche, BMW, MB. There seems to be some Harman models that have 3 or 2 ohms and have high sensitivity. Also the basket is usually plastic on those. I am about to purchase some speakers from eBay (China) that look like they are up to the task. Bad thing is that those have very limited specs so hard to tell before trying. I'm hunting for 12 cm speakers for the Hitachi 3D80 and the TRK-W9000 and seen some in the bay.
 

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The other problem with some China speakers is that the specs they provide are bullshit. (4 inch drivers with 95dB sensitivity and a frequency range starting at 40 htz :lol:

Speakers at 6.5 inch and above seem to be available with 90 dB sensitivity. The 4 ohm, 8 inch drivers I use in my builds are 92dB sensitivity - I’d believe it too - 20 watts RMS per channel through those speakers sounds epic.

Old Boombox speakers would be around that 90dB sensitivity range - what they can’t do is handle modern RMS power. I hooked up a pair of Sanyo M9998K drivers to a Lepai amp and at only 20% volume, the Sanyo speakers were flapping around helplessly. :-)

New speakers can help the performance of a vintage box but you’ll only be realising around 10% of the potential of those modern speakers. Amp upgrades is where the huge gains are found.
 

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jimmyjimmy19702010 said:
The other problem with some China speakers is that the specs they provide are bull malarky. (4 inch drivers with 95dB sensitivity and a frequency range starting at 40 htz :lol:

Speakers at 6.5 inch and above seem to be available with 90 dB sensitivity. The 4 ohm, 8 inch drivers I use in my builds are 92dB sensitivity - I’d believe it too - 20 watts RMS per channel through those speakers sounds epic.

Old Boombox speakers would be around that 90dB sensitivity range - what they can’t do is handle modern RMS power. I hooked up a pair of Sanyo M9998K drivers to a Lepai amp and at only 20% volume, the Sanyo speakers were flapping around helplessly. :-)

New speakers can help the performance of a vintage box but you’ll only be realising around 10% of the potential of those modern speakers. Amp upgrades is where the huge gains are found.
While your approach to adding amp power gives results, I've gone the other route & carefully chosen speakers to maximize the performance of the original machine. Although people tried to tell me 2 OHM woofers wouldn't work in a 777, I proved everyone wrong & it's still bangin' hard with no issues. 2 OHM Bose woofers are very sensitive car speakers with a good imedance behaviour & they sound just as loud as any C-100 & sound tons better too with lots of Bass & warm balanced sound.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55dFYQ7QyZE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvKBmwSnRY


The Toshiba WX-1 I did with 6.5" subwoofers & 4.5" Pioneeer woofers inside their own tub enclosures sound absolutely amazing with deep cavernous bass that sounds like a DJ rig, not a boombox anymore....Tons & tons of clean bass & a good balanced sound....Again some members thought the dual enclosure design using tupperware tubs to isolate the smaller woofers from the main cabinets wouldn't work because the amp didn't have enough juice. In fact it is the inefficient passive radiator design that uses 1 voice-coil to drive 2 diaphrams in tandem that was holding this beast back..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63lW3LXkdRQ

Finally, this Prosonic 11 band radio sounded like an overgrown clock radio because the Mid/tweeters overpowered the very stiff woofers that were original to the boombox. The Mid/High speakers have very clean & detailed mid high response & only needed good modern 4.5" woofers to round ou the sound. This isn't a bass machine by any means but the sound is now quite balanced & clean & jazz. classical, rock & even hip hop is quite enjoyable now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvvXOTneMQQ


For me it's about finding the right speakers & coming up with the right cabinet treatments....not more watts. That's just my approach, knowing that a doubling of wattage only gains 3db of acoustic power to the ears. 10db is a doubling of volume to the ears & yet requires just over 8x the amplifier power because our hearing is logarithmic in nature...
 

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That is a good point about speaker and amp power. I have had good results with car speakers from Pioneer. I was always able to easily find speaker(s) that performed better than stock from any car manufacturers (stingy bastards).
If chosen wisely, they can be improve the boombox considerably, and for modest cost.
I have heard about "breaking-in" the speakers, but never had a good opportunity to see benefits from it. There is so much snake oil in Hi-Fi...
 
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