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#31 Lasonic TRC-920

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 04:18 AM

Jimmy, the thing is that to me, it has to be a standalone device that is capable of producing music without connecting another device.  That means it MUST have a tuner.  Without a built in tuner, then the device simply doesn't function without connecting something else to it.  Just like an amplifier requires you to connect a tape deck or CD player, or tuner, or record player -- without those auxiliary devices, it is nothing.  OK, when an amplifier has it's own volume control, then it becomes an integrated amplifier.  However, if an amplifier has built in speakers, does that make it a boombox?  No.  And if that device is bluetooth capable, does it then make it a boombox?  No, it still does not.  It makes it a bluetooth speaker system.  And in truth, that is exactly what it is.  It is purposely built specifically for that purpose, and there are many devices exactly like that.  They deserve their own category where like Chris says, can be compared, reviewed and debated among themselves, oranges to oranges.  Unlike Chris however, I don't draw the line on any particular date in defining boomboxes because I still think that eggs are boomboxes, just not classic boomboxes.  

 

So why is a tuner so important to me?  Because for 45 years, it's virtually all I ever listen to.  When I grab a boombox to go, I KNOW that I'll have music even if I don't bring any cassettes or CD's or iPod, or any other recorded program.  Or I can listen to the ballgame when I'm working.  Or listen to talk radio, or what have you.  Or if the device has extra features such as cassettes, CD, line-in, whatever, I can listen to my hearts content if I have those with me.  

 

But these new devices, how can I listen to the radio?  Bring my own separate tuner?  Bring another boombox and use it's line-out to connect to this device's line-in?  How can requiring the presence of a separate boombox (and a "real" boombox, if I may argue) make any sense if the diamondbox (and similar such things) is also a boombox?  It does not and therefore, by extension, these are not boomboxes.  However, what do they do?  They amplify bluetooth audio and while I have never tried them, I surmise that they do this well, and is what they are designed for.  So let's just call them what they are.....  Amplified Bluetooth speaker systems.  Why is this name perfect?  Because they are amplifiers that REQUIRE a bluetooth connection (or other audio source) to do anything.  Just like an amplfier, without a signal source, just sits there, pretty, and produces nothing.

 

Now, have I got anything against Walkmans?  Absolutely not.  I own some, and back in the day, spent a whole lot of money on some nice ones too.  But today, I don't like being burdened with headsets so I don't use them anymore and have zero interest in them.  So I purposely do not follow the walkman forum.  But those who do can visit that forum and those topics, so everyone is happy right?  

 

So my personal feeling, and I've said this before already, is that we should create a Bluetooth speaker category.  Then everyone will be happy.  Chris, you agree?  If yes, can you and other mods maybe contact Bobby and perhaps run this by him?

 

I agree with everything by the EGG comments  :lol:  :lol:  :sick:  :sick:  :sick: Eggs are not Boxes regardless if they boom or not.

 

I have sent a message to FatDog requesting the addition of a new Bluetooth Speaker section.

 

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#32 Lasonic TRC-920

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 04:40 AM

A Boombox is a Boombox. I get it. :-)

A BT speaker is a BT speaker. I get that too.

I think it all depends on what angle you come to this hobby. I’m personally more into the music than the machine. I always liked high end Boomboxes because they made the music sound good.

I love studying the details of vintage boxes - the stunning looks, build quality and feature count etc is very satisfying to behold.

But after another 14 hour working day, I arrive home at 8:30 pm and what do I grab for maximum musical impact?? A DIY box. Hey, I’m at home, no one is looking, no one is going to laugh at me and my garage box. :lol:

I get the love a good tuner though. I listen to ABC radio all day in the van - the Australian Broadcasting Corporation has some very interesting stuff going on - keeps my brain occupied while I do my very boring job. :-)

Incidentally, my upcoming DIY V7.0 build will have a proper FM tuner with twin telescopic antennas. :-)

I know, although it will have a tuner, it’s still not a Boombox.

I get it. :-)

 

 

I also feel that a tuner is an important component in this argument of what a Boombox is. Not just from a nostalgia point of view, but also going along with what Norm said.

 

The initial idea of the Boombox was an ALL IN ONE Swiss army knife of portable audio equipment. It mixed usability with Japanese technical ability that was so prevalent at the time, to make things smaller and cheaper. They were technical marvels that had as many inputs and playback capabilities as possible. 

 

The Bluetooth speaker is just the audio output of the smart phone. The inputs (phone line in, cassette, AM/FM/SW, CD) are all condensed in to the smart phone and the Bluetooth speaker is the housing that makes noise. But these are certainly separate components.

 

IMO, FM radio is nearly obsolete (due to the type of music played on it), but I would never leave the house to head to a BBQ or the Park with a Boombox without an FM tuner.

 

WHY????

 

Because I like to be overly prepared:

Pocket full of tapes? CHECK

Classic Blaster modded for Bluetooth? CHECK

FM Tuner CHECK!!!!

 

Because you never know where that party could lead. More times than not, the party has moved from the BBQ in the park back to someones house. Already gone through the 5 cassettes you brought? Switch to Bluetooth. Played all your MP3's on your phone / phone battery low / no cell service to stream music? 

 

Or Maybe....

the 10 girls you met at the park that thought you were that "Cool Older Guy with the boombox" think it would be PERFECT to bring back to the sorority house for a late night skinny dipping party. But sadly, you only have your DEATH METAL cassettes and MP3 collection with you. But they don't want to hear Deicide, Nile or Morbid Angel. They like modern Pop Crap. 

 

What are you going to do?

 

Switch to FM! Plenty of Pop Crap there!
OH LOOK  :w00t: The sorority girls are doing Jagermeister Shots!  :clap: Good thing you have FM  :yes:  :-D

 

FM is ALWAYS an option for music 



#33 jimmyjimmy19702010

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 05:39 AM

A Boombox is a Boombox. I get it. :-)
A BT speaker is a BT speaker. I get that too.
I think it all depends on what angle you come to this hobby. I’m personally more into the music than the machine. I always liked high end Boomboxes because they made the music sound good.
I love studying the details of vintage boxes - the stunning looks, build quality and feature count etc is very satisfying to behold.
But after another 14 hour working day, I arrive home at 8:30 pm and what do I grab for maximum musical impact?? A DIY box. Hey, I’m at home, no one is looking, no one is going to laugh at me and my garage box. :lol:
I get the love a good tuner though. I listen to ABC radio all day in the van - the Australian Broadcasting Corporation has some very interesting stuff going on - keeps my brain occupied while I do my very boring job. :-)
Incidentally, my upcoming DIY V7.0 build will have a proper FM tuner with twin telescopic antennas. :-)
I know, although it will have a tuner, it’s still not a Boombox.
I get it. :-)


I also feel that a tuner is an important component in this argument of what a Boombox is. Not just from a nostalgia point of view, but also going along with what Norm said.

The initial idea of the Boombox was an ALL IN ONE Swiss army knife of portable audio equipment. It mixed usability with Japanese technical ability that was so prevalent at the time, to make things smaller and cheaper. They were technical marvels that had as many inputs and playback capabilities as possible.

The Bluetooth speaker is just the audio output of the smart phone. The inputs (phone line in, cassette, AM/FM/SW, CD) are all condensed in to the smart phone and the Bluetooth speaker is the housing that makes noise. But these are certainly separate components.

IMO, FM radio is nearly obsolete (due to the type of music played on it), but I would never leave the house to head to a BBQ or the Park with a Boombox without an FM tuner.

WHY????

Because I like to be overly prepared:
Pocket full of tapes? CHECK
Classic Blaster modded for Bluetooth? CHECK
FM Tuner CHECK!!!!

Because you never know where that party could lead. More times than not, the party has moved from the BBQ in the park back to someones house. Already gone through the 5 cassettes you brought? Switch to Bluetooth. Played all your MP3's on your phone / phone battery low / no cell service to stream music?

Or Maybe....
the 10 girls you met at the park that thought you were that "Cool Older Guy with the boombox" think it would be PERFECT to bring back to the sorority house for a late night skinny dipping party. But sadly, you only have your DEATH METAL cassettes and MP3 collection with you. But they don't want to hear Deicide, Nile or Morbid Angel. They like modern Pop Crap.

What are you going to do?

Switch to FM! Plenty of Pop Crap there!
OH LOOK :w00t: The sorority girls are doing Jagermeister Shots! :clap: Good thing you have FM :yes: :-D

FM is ALWAYS an option for music
Wow, FM really is the key to happiness in your neck of the woods wilh all the nude chicks and all. :lol:

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 06:09 AM

FM amen!

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 08:20 AM



 



 



 


 


 


.....The classics for when I need ‘the look’ and the Diamondboxx for when I need maximum performance! :rock:

Ok, but how do I tune into my favorite radio station & play it back in maximum performance with it? Or my recorded cassette tapes? No can do? Uhhhh...... well Ok, no problem, just tell me where’s the CD slot then.
Totally agree Norm, as far as im aware these don't even have tone controls lol
:lol:

 

am i incorrect Jimmy? please fill us in :-)

 

You are correct!  The bass and treble are controlled from your bluetooth device [mobile phone, tablet, computer.] using a graphic EQ applet.  Otherwise, I find that I don't need it.  The DiamondBoxx corrects for sound quality.

 

what a shame...another reason not to buy one



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Posted 22 February 2018 - 08:20 AM

 

 

I have sent a message to FatDog requesting the addition of a new Bluetooth Speaker section.

 

 

 

 

 

Conversation has been open since December in our section Chris. No reply from FD, or anyone....



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Posted 22 February 2018 - 09:25 AM

 



 



 



 


 


 


.....The classics for when I need ‘the look’ and the Diamondboxx for when I need maximum performance! :rock:

Ok, but how do I tune into my favorite radio station & play it back in maximum performance with it? Or my recorded cassette tapes? No can do? Uhhhh...... well Ok, no problem, just tell me where’s the CD slot then.
Totally agree Norm, as far as im aware these don't even have tone controls lol
:lol:

 

am i incorrect Jimmy? please fill us in :-)

 

You are correct!  The bass and treble are controlled from your bluetooth device [mobile phone, tablet, computer.] using a graphic EQ applet.  Otherwise, I find that I don't need it.  The DiamondBoxx corrects for sound quality.

 

what a shame...another reason not to buy one

 

 

Don't knock it 'till you try it!  The DiamondBoxx sound quality destroys any old boombox out there.

 

People poo-poo over new and improved. I get it, some people don't like change.  And that's ok.

 

I'm just letting you hear my opinion.  You might not think it but I value yours.



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Posted 22 February 2018 - 09:45 AM

Wouldn't doubt FM will fade away in 15-20 years anyway



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Posted 22 February 2018 - 10:44 AM

you can get an m90 conion cheaper than this so would rather those

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 12:11 PM

Wouldn't doubt FM will fade away in 15-20 years anyway


I don’t believe that, as long as there is a station playing genres I like, it’s what I like to listen to. I also watch & listen to stuff on YouTube or pandora on occasion but unless Wifi becomes free & public, I can’t see it hurting FM. First you can listen to FM passively & let the radio DJ mix the music for you. At some point, listening to your own saved stuff over & over again gets old. And it’s a chore to be constantly choosing and making your own playlists, and connecting your device, etc. And then driving... doesn’t everyone just start up their car & go (radio already automatically playing the last station) or does everyone always fuss with their smartphone & not focus on the road? Or maybe that’s why cars are always drifting into my lane nowadays?

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 12:19 PM

^ I don't say much because just about every word you type is what my simple mind is thinking but I hate agreeing with you.



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Posted 22 February 2018 - 12:22 PM

Well I'd imagine most people just bring their phone with them and it automatically bluetooths to their car and continues playing whatever they had already been listening to.  And I think apps like Pandora provide much more variety than the typical DJ, because they use predictive logic to guess what songs you'll be interested in.  Whereas most radio DJ's have a more limited stack of "pre-approved" songs, so you end up hearing the same song again every 5 or 6 hours.   :thumbsdown:



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Posted 22 February 2018 - 12:37 PM

But these new devices, how can I listen to the radio?  

 

You can get almost any FM station on your phone, plus tons of stations from other cities that you couldn't get before........and then connect it to your speaker via cable or Bluetooth.  Will the sound quality be as good as it would be thru your tuner?  Probably not.....but it won't be a HUGE difference.

 

And regarding tapes and CD's, well.......can a classic box play USB's or SD cards?  No.  But almost every Bluetooth speaker can.  And that's critical, because most people under, say, 40, keep all their music digitally instead of on tape or CD.  So, I would argue you could still call some of these speakers "boomboxes" even though they don't have a tape deck or CD player.  The DJ Tech for instance has a good FM tuner, BT, USB, SD, and Line In.  That's all most "normal" people need.  People like us who still have tapes and CD's are the minority.



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Posted 22 February 2018 - 01:36 PM

But Reli, that's exactly what I was saying.... unless wifi is free for the masses, or subscriptions become unlimited (like domestic cell service these days), I simply can't see it challenging FM.  FM is free, has good quality, and always there.  Anything involving the phone requires wifi, and if you are like me, family of 4, always getting bandwidth usage warnings near the end of the month, using additional bandwidth to listen to internet radio in my car is the last thing I want to do.



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Posted 22 February 2018 - 03:47 PM

 

 

 

I have sent a message to FatDog requesting the addition of a new Bluetooth Speaker section.

 

 

 

 

 

Conversation has been open since December in our section Chris. No reply from FD, or anyone....

 

 

Maybe someone can reach out to him on FaceBook



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Posted 22 February 2018 - 04:12 PM

Just looked and he is gone from FB....... strange



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Posted 22 February 2018 - 06:54 PM

Well, he's posted this month so that means he's most likely OK.  As for facebook, I've considered deleting my account so many times already, because of the constant notifications that they are pretty much spam to me now.  Also, somehow, I'm part of the facebook boombox group and I really want delete myself from that group, if only I can figure out how to do that.



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Posted 22 February 2018 - 08:27 PM

Facebook - :lol:

My wife set up an account for me without my knowledge. 6 months later, she decided to tell me I had an account so I thought I’d see what all the fuss was about.

After trying to log in for the first time, I find a message from Facebook telling me my account had been hacked and they’d decided to kick me off!! :lol:

I didn’t even get a chance to log on!!!

I don’t do Facebook. :lol:

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 10:30 AM

 

 



 



 



 


 


 


.....The classics for when I need ‘the look’ and the Diamondboxx for when I need maximum performance! :rock:

Ok, but how do I tune into my favorite radio station & play it back in maximum performance with it? Or my recorded cassette tapes? No can do? Uhhhh...... well Ok, no problem, just tell me where’s the CD slot then.
Totally agree Norm, as far as im aware these don't even have tone controls lol
:lol:

 

am i incorrect Jimmy? please fill us in :-)

 

You are correct!  The bass and treble are controlled from your bluetooth device [mobile phone, tablet, computer.] using a graphic EQ applet.  Otherwise, I find that I don't need it.  The DiamondBoxx corrects for sound quality.

 

what a shame...another reason not to buy one

 

 

Don't knock it 'till you try it!  The DiamondBoxx sound quality destroys any old boombox out there.

 

People poo-poo over new and improved. I get it, some people don't like change.  And that's ok.

 

I'm just letting you hear my opinion.  You might not think it but I value yours.

 

I value everyones opinion on here Sir unless there into mickey mouse radios lol but to me and so many others this is Not a boombox, atleast it dosen't have tape radio etc....im sure it sounds great and if you have one im glad you like it...i have one boombox myself that uranates over any 80's 90's boombox i have and that is the jvc rd md5....you should pick one up....makes m90's and conions sound like mickey mouse but again i don't use it much as it doesn't have cassette.....only one thing left to say that girl in you're av is Very beautiful Sir, god bless



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Posted 24 February 2018 - 10:30 AM

 

 

 



 



 



 


 


 


.....The classics for when I need ‘the look’ and the Diamondboxx for when I need maximum performance! :rock:

Ok, but how do I tune into my favorite radio station & play it back in maximum performance with it? Or my recorded cassette tapes? No can do? Uhhhh...... well Ok, no problem, just tell me where’s the CD slot then.
Totally agree Norm, as far as im aware these don't even have tone controls lol
:lol:

 

am i incorrect Jimmy? please fill us in :-)

 

You are correct!  The bass and treble are controlled from your bluetooth device [mobile phone, tablet, computer.] using a graphic EQ applet.  Otherwise, I find that I don't need it.  The DiamondBoxx corrects for sound quality.

 

what a shame...another reason not to buy one

 

 

Don't knock it 'till you try it!  The DiamondBoxx sound quality destroys any old boombox out there.

 

People poo-poo over new and improved. I get it, some people don't like change.  And that's ok.

 

I'm just letting you hear my opinion.  You might not think it but I value yours.

 

I value everyones opinion on here Sir unless there into mickey mouse radios lol but to me and so many others this is Not a boombox, atleast it dosen't have tape radio etc....im sure it sounds great and if you have one im glad you like it...i have one boombox myself that uranates over any 80's 90's boombox i have and that is the jvc rd md5....you should pick one up....makes m90's and conions sound like mickey mouse but again i don't use it much as it doesn't have cassette.....only one thing left to say that girl in you're av is Very beautiful Sir, god bless

 

 

I will have to keep on eye on out for that model.  Mini disc has always been a cool media in my opinion.  There is one currently on ebay, too bad the mini disc is not working.   $350 usd.

 

I will tell her.  I hated leaving her in bed today.  She is amazing. She sent me this photo of her last night while I was working. https://www.dropbox....10953.jpeg?dl=0