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#1 Lasonic TRC-920

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 05:05 AM

It is with great sadness that I have to tell the Boomboxery family that there will be no TRUE classic boombox coming from Bumpboxx and my future involvement, if any will be greatly diminished.

 

Due to a set of unfortunate circumstances that I will explain at a much later date, the plans to build a REAL classic boombox has been changed to a much more “cost effective” product.

 

This product will be pretty much what Bumpboxx already offers in a much smaller package. Particle board construction, off the shelf parts and no cassette deck. 

 

This all came as a shock to me a short time ago. While in China on this last trip it was a done deal that I would be making reoccurring month long trips to China, starting in January. All aspects of that deal were sealed with a hand shake. But a week or so later, it was all pulled back. I will explain those details to you later.

 

I have no idea what my future involvement could possibly be since they will be making the same product as they do now, void of any real classic ques, like a cassette deck, real handle or tuning dial.

 

The only real question I have, that has not been answered by them is if they will be using any of my design elements or if I will be reimbursed for all of the technical details and information I provided them in terms of product dimensions, frequency response and other details that will probably find it's way into their new product..

 

It’s a real disappointment for sure. Like you I really thought that we had a chance to see a true classic be reborn. But it appears as of the writing of this that that will not be happening.

 

Up until just a week or so ago, I was still working on technical drawings and detailed manufacturing process documents. So much for a year’s worth of hard work.

 

As I said, I will try to explain at a later date what took place and why this snap decision was made. But as of right now, I have family flying into town that will be staying through the holidays and I will be occupied with them.



#2 jimmyjimmy19702010

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 05:58 AM

Sorry to hear the sad news Chris. Not entirely unexpected though due to the cost of making a unique, one off product for a small, up and coming electronics business.

You tried Chris and I’m sure we all appreciate all that you have done. :-)

#3 JVC Floyd

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 06:11 AM

Sorry to hear that man , only because I know how much effort you put into it , I wish we could source some parts and build the motherfarker ourselves. You went above and beyond and that's more than most could or would do especially travelling to China that's not exactly easy.

#4 Hisrudeness

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 07:13 AM

Is you’re Association with the Bumpbox team over or are you continuing to work with them on their current designs?

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 10:18 AM

This is a bummer, but Thanks for Trying.  Kick starter it!



#6 Northerner

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 11:11 AM

Man that’s so disappointing. I really thought they’d bought into the idea. All that time and effort Chris, such a waste. Sorry fella :-(

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 11:20 AM

oh no!



#8 T-STER

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 12:08 PM

Chris as everyone echoes we are sorry to hear this but we know, without question, that you put your all into this and you have the thanks of the whole boombox community.

 

You are a well respected member of the boombox community and that is a fact, you have been an awesome ambassador for us, thanks for all your effort and sorry it didn't go as planned.



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 01:28 PM

Sorry to hear my friend. Good news is at least you tried.



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 03:57 PM

I am quite sure that a new opportunity will arise for you Chris.

Now that things are getting in line even though you put so much effort

for making a classic boombox with a company that rejected it.,

I am optimistic that this effort wasnt a waste of time . 

We dont have the means of production but some p-eople here

are supporting you all the way. 



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 04:24 PM

Man that’s so disappointing. I really thought they’d bought into the idea. All that time and effort Chris, such a waste. Sorry fella :-(

perhaps --its not really over ..

IF you are not paid correctly for ALL of your talents and efforts that you contributed -

then you are free to collect that entire ' package ' of work ..

and sell it all to another maker who is willing to make this HAPPEN



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 04:28 PM

Here is what is available today. And that Sony does have a cassette deck. There’s definitely a hole that can be filled. You went there representing BOOMBOX enthusiasts & they didn’t take you seriously so they obviously feel the future is with Bluetooth speakers & not Boomboxes.Attached File  34E8E9A9-411B-4305-AE05-D4F53FCA8670.jpeg   126.02K   3 downloads

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 04:36 PM

This is very disappointing news indeed.  After all your exhaustive efforts in so many areas of involvement this must come as a terrible shock, I dread to think how you must feel hearing this news.  Although this project hasn't been brought to fruition, it's certainly no reflection on you commitment so I still extend to you my sincere sentiments: "Thank you very much for all you have done, Sir".



Here is what is available today. And that Sony does have a cassette deck. There’s definitely a hole that can be filled. You went there representing BOOMBOX enthusiasts & they didn’t take you seriously so they obviously feel the future is with Bluetooth speakers & not Boomboxes.attachicon.gif34E8E9A9-411B-4305-AE05-D4F53FCA8670.jpeg

 

Wow, that really brings home some truths about modern portable audio - such a sad state of affairs.  :-/



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 08:40 PM

I can't say we can feel your pain, but man that hurts. Intrigued to hear the rest of the story.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 03:29 AM

Sorry to read this Chris! Not knowing details, I can only tell you that I have so much respect for what you've done and tried to accomplish. What ever happens after this an how F'd up this may look and feel now, you had an idea and went for it full throttle. You've felt the energy that came with this journey, had fresh ambition, traveled, experienced and learned, nothing wrong about that. It's what entrepreneurs do in the end! 

 

Have a wonderfull Christmas with your family!   



#16 Lasonic TRC-920

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:24 AM

I really can't thank you all enough for your kind words. This is and always will be the best community on the web.

 

I have no real idea what is going to happen as they really don't talk to me. I am holding a micro thread of hope that I might still be reimbursed for my efforts, even though I know in the back of my mind it's utterly foolish.

 

I suppose, the part that hurts the most is that I really wanted the true classic enthusiast to have a new, reliable, usable boombox that was built to perform up to today's standards and reproduce modern music. 

 

Last I heard, they were going to try to make something along the lines of the DJ Tech, possibly a plastic face on wood back. But it would still basically just be a bluetooth speaker. IMHO, that's not a "Boombox".

 

There are certain experiences that you go through, right wrong, good or bad, that once you have seen it, you can't un-see it. This experience has been filled with lots of behind the scene things I just wish I hadn't been a part of. There are certain veils that you shouldn't pull off. 

 

At some point down the line, when this door is finally closed, I will share what I feel is appropriate. When it comes to boomboxes, collecting, my personal passion for it and the friends I have made, my Allegiance stays with the people I have been dealing with for years, in this community.



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:51 AM

We love you too bud.

 

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#18 Lasonic TRC-920

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 09:11 AM

We love you too bud.

 

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Ahhh Vegas....another fabulous trip I can't remember!  :drunk:



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 09:13 AM

Yes you do. It was so pure and FUN. Just the bro's hanging out enjoying blasters and beers.



#20 Lasonic TRC-920

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 09:28 AM

Yes you do. It was so pure and FUN. Just the bro's hanging out enjoying blasters and beers.

 

Yep, boombox meets are the best way to enjoy radios!



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 10:55 AM

Sorry to hear about this Lasonic TRC-920, I was really looking forward to your final design. I was also contacted about future Bumpboxx designs, but couldn't commit at the time because of my schedule. I do have a few concepts that I'm sitting on however. 



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:02 AM

We love you too bud.
 
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A Starbucks and not a Stella?

The GPO Brooklyn box which I admit has only been out a month has all the features collectors covet (Tape, FM, DAB, Bluetooth, RCA’s, CD Player, LEDS and a sort of retro styling). No one has reviewed it yet. I doubt it will be as loud at that price point but interesting to see what numbers it sells.

#23 BoomboxLover48

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:20 PM

Chris, But you gave all your outstanding efforts and great ideas to "some folks" with no secrecy agreement in place. Sooner or later the project will resurface under another name in the market. What are your thoughts?

 

It would be great for you to team up with Norm and James and revive it. 



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Posted 19 December 2017 - 02:56 AM

I really can't thank you all enough for your kind words. This is and always will be the best community on the web.

I have no real idea what is going to happen as they really don't talk to me. I am holding a micro thread of hope that I might still be reimbursed for my efforts, even though I know in the back of my mind it's utterly foolish.

I suppose, the part that hurts the most is that I really wanted the true classic enthusiast to have a new, reliable, usable boombox that was built to perform up to today's standards and reproduce modern music.

Last I heard, they were going to try to make something along the lines of the DJ Tech, possibly a plastic face on wood back. But it would still basically just be a bluetooth speaker. IMHO, that's not a "Boombox".

There are certain experiences that you go through, right wrong, good or bad, that once you have seen it, you can't un-see it. This experience has been filled with lots of behind the scene things I just wish I hadn't been a part of. There are certain veils that you shouldn't pull off.

At some point down the line, when this door is finally closed, I will share what I feel is appropriate. When it comes to boomboxes, collecting, my personal passion for it and the friends I have made, my Allegiance stays with the people I have been dealing with for years, in this community.

Well said Chris. :-).

It still amazes me that the niche style of box us vintage Boombox tragics are after still doesn’t seem to register as a viable proposition for manufacturers!

I’m gonna be honest here Chris, I always thought Bumpboxx was the wrong outfit to build a high end, unique, blast from the past, quality Boombox. It’s just not their thing. I think you did bloody well just to drag those guys into this project as far as you did! :-)

To be successful, this new box has to be planned and executed in the old fashioned way: Maximise quality and feature count to maintain the all important reputation of the company. Work out the cost of manufacture and charge a retail price that is commensurate with those costs - not the modern method of cost cutting, off shoring etc that can only result in another POS boring and depressing low quality disposable abomination.

I think we have to reasonable here too with regards to price. How would you guys feel if you had to pay around $2000 USD to get your hands on a modern duplicate of a 1980 Japanese high end 1 piece box with all the old school features but with modern amp performance and lithium ion battery technology?

I think some would instantly say ‘too much, blah blah blah’. But think about what resources are really required here to build a box with old school Japanese build quality!!!

I personally would spend that amount or more if it guaranteed me what I was after:

- Old school classic and chromed out ABS plastic front and rear case, inner acoustic bass reflex cabinet, sweet sounding stereo amp, Hifi grade drivers, tweeters and crossovers, quality AM/FM tuner, BT 4.0, Wifi, AUX in, quality Japanese made 18650 battery pack (huge capacity). The deck is optional for me due to the unavailability of true, high end decks.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love a 3 motor metal tape compatible deck. But being realistic with what’s available these days, I wouldn’t want to have to settle for some cheap shiat deck polluting the pure, no compromise approach to the component selection of the rest of the box.

No swag, T shirts, remotes all the other shiat that just pulls more build quality $$$s out of the box itself. :-)

If I were a rich man, I’d fly Chris, Norm and anyone else with skills necessary to Australia and I’d get together with a local Brisbane plastic mouldings company and get this bloody project underway the right way - no off shoring, all in-house. A month of intense work from all parties combined with the planning work Chris has already done and this thing would be well on its’ way to rocking us all like no box has done before!! :rock:

I seriously need one of these new boxes, stat!

James... :-)

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 03:39 PM

I think most of us were expecting this Cris sorry that you're endeavours didn't pay off, all i can say is get together with a decent company and make you're own buddy, good luck and thanks for trying ehh :-)



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Posted 19 December 2017 - 04:52 PM

So, I'm wondering Chris, you've obviously invested more than just time, there's the cost of airfare and accommodations to visit Asia.  Was that hopefully paid for by the company?  If not, was the whole agreement for proper compensation really done via just a handshake?  Although I'm of that old mold, it's clear that times have changed and trust can't be taken for granted anymore.

 

As for the boombox vs. bluetooth speaker argument, these are clearly different products.  Boombox enthusiasts in the classic sense would not be interested in bluetooth speakers as surrogates.  That's not to say that boombox enthusiasts can't be interested in bluetooth speakers anymore than saying that folks who like sports cars can't like monster trucks.  They each serve their own purpose, and to me, bluetooth speakers simply can't replace boomboxes.

 

I suppose what I'm saying is that if your goals were to hopefully steer the bumpbox company more towards bringing the product closer in line with a "true" boombox, then that's probably a waste of time.  On the other hand, if you were to want to be involved in morphing the company towards the development and growth of bluetooth speakers and that technology, then that's probably a more realistic expectation of your future relationship, if any.  If it was me, I wouldn't waste any further time with this company without a firm "written" agreement of your involvement and compensation arrangement.  Even today, I read on news regarding China as still being considered major intellectual property theft perpetrators.  Giving them "free" advice and time probably isn't the best use of your time unless you are Dennis Rodman and have more money than you know what to do with.

 

Going back to my earlier #12 post, you'll see that while the modern boombox offerings are rather meager in terms of choices, and sizes, these products are very cheap yet still include cassette decks or CD players AND working Radio tuners.  The only shortcomings are that they don't have classic looks and thus aesthetic appeal, nor do they offer the larger power outputs of these large bluetooth speakers.  The fact that these products can be sold at such low prices suggests to me that the technology in the radios and cassette decks/CD players isn't expensive at all.  If you were to take the internals of any of these products and use them as foundations to produce a large device with larger speakers and amps, then you'd have a "true" boombox worthy of a second look.  Unfortunately, therein lies the problem.  Anyone can in their garage, fashion a particle board rectangular box, stuff in some speakers, a PS, an off the shelf amp board with bluetooth and "et voila."  No real skills here in my opinion.  Furthermore, laminate the product using some felt, plastic laminate, leather, or what have you, put tacky corner protectors you'd find on homemade or professional touring music speakers to reduce damage, install those ugly lattice-like speaker grills, and screw on a home depot looking towell bar for a handle and then market it as something awesome.   Or not.

 

Because big name manufacturers aren't interested, to develop a "real" boombox would require a company that is willing to employ people with engineering skills.  Some electronics to either develop the circuitry on their own, or at least have the skills to properly interface and properly adapt multiple "off the shelf" products so they work well together.  Mechanical engineers to develop a product that will interface and assemble well, with proper fold down handles, designs to maximize strength yet reduce weight and cost, and 3D CAD experts to design the product(s) pieces into files that can be used to shop around for manufacturing bids in order to commission the manufacture of the parts, and some acquisition specialists to negotiate with companies that have designed or build these off the shelf modules in order to customize for use.  Apparently, bumpboxx either doesn't possess such human resources to develop such a product or is satisfied with a diy-like built product for continued sale through social media.



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Posted 19 December 2017 - 07:55 PM

Chris man, brother.... I'm so sorry to read this.

I read your first post and I kinda thought, man that sucks, all that time uou spent and theyre just gonna go cheap and basic. I get the cost/profit aspect but that sucks.

Then I read your second long post and it went pretty dark for you, one of the most positive guys here. Now I just feel horrible for you and this what the situation is starting to sound like. I really hope you get reimbursed in some way. But that I know won't make up for the rest of it. I just hope it wasn't all for nothing and that some good comes out of this whole experience. I'm pretty much speechless outside of all that I just spoke....

I'm glad you'll have family with you for the holidays, that's great. I hope to hear the rest of this story when you're able to tell it.

And THANK YOU for trying your best to bring us something worth being excited about. It was a thrill reading the whole process you had been going through, brought a smile to my face with each step closer. I truly appreciate your efforts.

EDIT: So much for speechless.

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 11:43 PM

Anyone can in their garage, fashion a particle board rectangular box, stuff in some speakers, a PS, an off the shelf amp board with bluetooth and "et voila." No real skills here in my opinion.

Oh Norm, if only it were that simple.

There is a bit more to it than just slapping it all together if you expect it to sound good.

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 11:47 PM

You know we all got nothin but love and respect for you, Chris. If you REALLY want to make this happen somehow....you will. Ain't a person on this site that doubts what you're capable of. This was a learning experience. It's up to you to decide where you're gonna go from here. Whatever you do...we got your back.

As for for right now....I think I know what would make you feel a little bit better and take your mind off this shiat. And I know it would put a whole lotta smiles on a whole lotta peoples' faces. Its the reason we're all here. Them five little words under the name of the greatest forum on the planet....
Do what you do best, homie.

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 12:42 AM

 

Anyone can in their garage, fashion a particle board rectangular box, stuff in some speakers, a PS, an off the shelf amp board with bluetooth and "et voila." No real skills here in my opinion.

Oh Norm, if only it were that simple.

Anyone can build a loud box but you need to know what you’re doing if you want to enable it to sound beautiful. :rock:

 

 

Jimmy, if you read between the lines, you know I'm oversimplifying it.  What I'm really trying to convey is that the creation of a rectangular particle-board box, stuffed with off the shelf bluetooth amps is a far cry from the next step (leap) up which would involve melding a whole assembly of electronics, technical, manufacturing, and sales/purchasing saavy that the average Joe can't manage nor would want to.  Sure a DIY box can be crap with the wrong combo of parts, but with some experimenting, you can get it to sound good by choosing a different amp board, different drivers, careful routing of wires to minimize noise, etc.  Being able to create a box out of plastic, metal or other weather durable material, sculpted to include seamless integration of all the features, a proper fold down handle, true easily removable batteries or battery pack (like Aiwa EOS-9) etc. is a whole nother level that Bumpbox hasn't shown. 





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