How many boxes can you hook up to one line in source?

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mmcodomino

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I am going to hold an exhibition with a few boomboxes soon and want 8 of them to be hooked up to the same source.
I planned on having 4 splitters to make two cables out of one so I have 5 cinch ends in the end.
Some of the boxes are going to be hooked up to the line out of others like this:

GF-777 --> Sigmatech Discolite --> Vela Discolite

GF-999 --> Masterblaster

Now I am very afraid of blowing something up with this set-up as I do not know how healthy it is for the boxes or the audio source.

It would be cool if some of you know more about this than me.
If not, I am going to SLOWLY test this set up piece by piece with a very low line signal.

Thanks in advance :)
 

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Not sure why you're afraid of frying something, it's all line-level signaling. I've daisy-chained a half dozen boxes together and it worked great. You might notice some variation from box to box but not a ton.
 

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caution said:
Not sure why you're afraid of frying something, it's all line-level signaling. I've daisy-chained a half dozen boxes together and it worked great. You might notice some variation from box to box but not a ton.
In theory, it all sounds good to me as well.
I am just afraid of blowing up an amp or so and that's why i thought it would be a good idea to ask around here.
Half a dozen boxes hooked up via each other's line out sounds good already though :)
 

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I don't see anything wrong with connecting a bunch of boxes using Line Out and Line In.

But if none of the boxes have Line Out.........then FM transmitter all the way.
 

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I'd be interested to know if one phone/ipod is capable of powering 2+ boxes. I think there's a Y-shaped adapter you can stick into the phone's headphone port.
 

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Reli said:
I'd be interested to know if one phone/ipod is capable of powering 2+ boxes. I think there's a Y-shaped adapter you can stick into the phone's headphone port.
I had both my JVC 550s rockin from my iPhone one night, just used a Y-cable with 2 AUX cords.. :yes:
 

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You probably had to turn up the volume more than you would with one cable, right?
 

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hell i have seen car stereo's with 17 pairs of rca's and 15 y splitters coming out of em' never seen any problems . hell i seen the internal amps of the head units fail while the line output still worked .
 

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Reli said:
I'd be interested to know if one phone/ipod is capable of powering 2+ boxes. I think there's a Y-shaped adapter you can stick into the phone's headphone port.
Yes, you can do that. The signal is split in half, so each input is -3db lower than using one input only....each split off that line will drop the line in by 3db but going from line-out to line-in, you can daisy chain I'd say about 1o boxes before signal degradation is noticeable...

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I've had different results than some of you... I've noticed hooking up two boxes in line, (ipod to one box, then line out to the other box) worked fine, and but as I got to the third or fourth box, they worked, but sound quality got a bit worse with each addition.

Not terribly, and probably not very noticeable when blasting... but quality was definitely getting lessential further down the line.
 

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I wonder when latency becomes a problem daisy chaining from out to in, out to in, out to in, out to in... anyone experience that?
 

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It worked fine with 7 boxes...partially with Y cables and partially via line out of other boxes.
After hooking up 4 boxes to the line out of a GF-777 or GF-999, one channel failed though and only came back to life after taking one box out of the set-up.
None of the radios were damaged though...and it sounded amazing!!! :D
 

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k2j said:
I wonder when latency becomes a problem daisy chaining from out to in, out to in, out to in, out to in... anyone experience that?
I didn't have that problem, more just quality getting less down the line, I think like what mmcodomino experienced as well too.

But for me, it was only with like 4 boxes or so... maybe the quality of the boxes in/out capabilities have an effect as well?

Mine usually have been two Trc-931's, my M70, Trc-920, and I think my Rx-5031
 

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ok, technically speaking
usually the line out impedance is 50 ohms
and line in impedance is about 10000 ohms
so 10000/50 = 100
so 200 boombox's can be hooked up from one line out :-)
 

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k2j said:
I wonder when latency becomes a problem daisy chaining from out to in, out to in, out to in, out to in... anyone experience that?
Maybe a very small amount, that may alter the bass output a bit (could make kicks a bit muddy).

I had biggest problems with phase. At one point I took apart ALL my boxes to match their phases, but when I put them on a configuration of 10 boxes (seen in my avatar), I had to try and find the right phases for all the boxes (using a 8 channel signal processor). I always have to check all phases if I hook them up in a different place, because the space/room can do funny things too.

The thing is that most boxes are working as somewhat dipole. Non-scientifically one could call them "semi-open baffle" or "damped baffle". The box itself gives little more sensitivity and boosts the low frequencies, but the perforated back lets the pressure and most of the frequencies generated by the woofers out from the back. So the boombox radiates sound to both directions, of course less to the back. Also there is about -12dB lower level straight to the sides because the front and back soundwaves have different phase and they counteract each other. When you put multiple boxes on top of and/or next to each other, there can be changes in phase and directivity. In a perfect situation each box should have steplessly variable phase change of at least 0-180 degrees.

In my current configuration the 3 boxes on the right (not the top one) are daisy chained (line-in/line-out) but I had to be careful with those because Sharp GF-575 had higher sensitivity and Philips and Siemens boosted the line-out. So ->Sharp->Siemens->Philips was the most optimal choise. If I put them in a different order, the Sharp and Siemens would distort and Philips would't have "enough" level.

So when chaining, one should try and keep track of what the VU-meters are reading. A little distortion can be hard to notice, but if the box distorts a little because of too high line in level, the line out will probably have much more distortion. At least if the box boosts the line out level.

I suggest searching for old analog 3-4 -way car hifi crossovers and use them if hooking more than 4 boxes to one output. With a crossover, you can set the levels more accurately and with a good model, maybe use them as subsonic filter and cut the lower (35-50Hz, depending on boomer) frequencies out and have more output and less distortion on bass-heavy program.

On my configuration, I use Helix P-DSP with 8 channels and every box (minus the chained 3) is uniquely EQ'd and filtered so the output is as smooth and powerful as possible.

There went my few cents :-D
 
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