Watch out for this guy: croroc6

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blu_fuz

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I bought his expensive a$$ M90 handle.

Description says 'original handle, great condition'.


He's lucky the chrome is decent, but look at how 'great' this looks when it showed up.


I'm deciding weather or not to make an official complaint on ebay and risk him giving me bad feedback.......

Auction:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151661097803


He is selling a few other M90 bits like a $15 screw 😜

Messages:
(First message he never replied, so I sent it again)
Dear croroc6,

Not sure why you never replied to my message so I will send it again. It's up to you how feedback is given for this.


"Thanks for getting the handle here quickly.

Problem, I'm wondering why you didn't disclose the scratches and gouges to the handle?

For the price you were asking, this handle should have nothing wrong with it.

See pictures"

- blu_fuz


Then he says:
Dear blu_fuz,

l'm 100% sure that they were not a even scratch on the handle i don't know where you got that one.


- croroc6


Then I said:
Dear croroc6,

What do you mean by 'I don't know where you got that one!????? I got it directly from YOU! Act so surprised when your the one that sent it to me. This is your item! Not as described! You can play dumb all you want. Figure out what your next move is. I don't take well to liars and cheats. Man up, you knowingly sent it like this. The least you can do is admit it and apologize.

- blu_fuz



Now waiting for reply.......


I took these pictures SECONDS after removing the handle from the box in front of the post office.

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His reply:

Dear blu_fuz,

Why would I admit and apologize to something that I didn't do? My item didn't have any scratches on it as shown in the pictures. The only person playing dumb here is YOU! So, why don't you man up and quit trying to cheat. I don't have time to argue with you. I sent the item as described just like you see in the pictures in the listing. The pictures that you took clearly don't show the item that I sent you. Your pictures clearly show a badly scratched handle where my pictures show a mint condition handle. I truly believe that you are trying to switch the handle and get your money back and send me your badly scratched handle. It took you 2 days to realize that it was scratched which means that you clearly switched handles because if it was scratch like you claim, you would have emailed me the same day that you received it. I know that you are trying to pull a fast one on me and I don't appreciate dishonest people.

- croroc6



My final reply:

I got the handle friday morning on my way to work. I took the pictures immediatly after I opened the box you shipped it in. We left to go camping right after work and were gone until sunday evening. Thats why there was a delay in my message to you. Do you need proof? Do you need to see pictures of my family on vacation? Do you want to talk to the post office clerk that watched me open the package and see what I saw? Takes someone real low to sell stuff and blame the wear & tear of the item on the buyer. What a joke. The only reason this claim will not be escalated is because your not worth the time.
 

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Oh yeah, my offer for the handle wa to include ALL of the M90 screws he had for sale as part of the deal. It was clear as day in the 'notes to seller' section of the offer.


After he accepted the offer, I emailed him to make sure he understood the offer.

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Dear croroc6,

My offer was for the handle and the remaining (6) long cabinet screws and the remaining (2) short cabinet screws for the JVC M90. Just confirming that you read the additional notes before I send payment. Thank you. - JOE

- blu_fuz"


His reply:
Dear blu_fuz,

The screws are sold separate. you can't demand what you haven't pay for.

- croroc6


My reply:

Dear croroc6,

I'm not demanding anything for nothing. The $xx offer on the handle was with the rear case screws included. Negotiations are always in the 'additional notes' section of the offer buyers can send you. Did you read it or not? That's why I messaged you again after you accepted the offer to make sure you read everything. It is saving headache later. If I paid you for the handle and expected the screws to be in the package, have the package arrive with no screws, then I would be pissed. Then you would be pissed. So everyone is pissed simply because the seller didn't read everything and the buyer never confirmed what he was receiving.

See where I'm coming from?

My offer is $xx+ shipping for the handle, (6) long rear case screws, and (2) short rear case screws.

- blu_fuz


He told me to cancel the transaction or pay the amount for just the handle. I need the handle, so I paid for it.
 

Superduper

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Sounds like you played his game and he knows who's boss. Frankly I would return it rather than give an aho seller the satisfaction of winning but since you need the handle more than the satisfaction to your soul, then just give him a piece if your mind in feedback and be done. He can't give you a neg like you suggested in your orig post. Sellers can only give positive although he can disguise a neg within a pos.
 

blu_fuz

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He can't give me a negative feedback? Its been so long since I had a seller act like this. I will drop him a negative feedback then.


I honestly don't need the plastic part of tge handle luckily. I needed the chrome ends. I like how he says his pictures show a mint handle, but neither of his pictures even point at the damaged areas.
 

duckman

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I agree to leave him the neg. As Super said, he cannot neg or even Neutral you, Your feedback would speak for itself with over 400 anyways.

His pics do NOT show the area that you show and is totally misleading which would be ruled in your favor in a dispute anyway.

As far as the offer not being honored, he could have at least responded with ' Oops, I did miss that, sorry" even if it was a lie. His response speaks to his character, and I don't give a **** attitude, thus leaving him a neg is prudent and sellers like this need to be exposed.

Let him cry about it to Ebay if he chooses, but without proper pics, he has no case.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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I agree.


This has probably been one of the smallest insignificant deals I have had on ebay and it deserved a negative feedback.
 

duckman

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OOOO, good one! I read the feedback.

Thing is with these guys is their ego gets in the way of reason and they get their backs up. Had you returned the item or cancelled transaction, the grief would/may have just been passed on to another.

Tomorrow :-) . . . as you say.
 

blu_fuz

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Yeah, and my intent was never to get a refund or return the item but he says it in his message to me - I wanted him to fess up to his BS, that's it. A simple apology goes a long way sometimes and this was a perfect example. I never asked for a refund, partial refund, return, nothing. With his initial attitude when I messaged him after he accepted my offer, I knew he was a bit off.
 

Superduper

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blu_fuz said:
He can't give me a negative feedback? Its been so long since I had a seller act like this.
It was among eBay's wholesale feedback changes, probably 8 - 10 years ago now. When I first joined, seller's and buyers alike left feedback equally. But abusive sellers frequently were shielded due to buyers fear of retaliatory feedback, which was a sure thing. If you left a neg, you got one in return therefore, out of fear, seller feedback wasn't nearly representative of their true reputation. Then came the changes which eliminated sellers ability to leave negative feedback. They could only leave a positive as a seller. Of course what eBay didn't count on, or didn't care, was that eBay members can be seller/buyers alike, and therefore there will always be (crap for morales members) who try to take advantage of the system, and yes, buyers can be abusive/scummy/scammy too. Now holding all the cards, buyers rule and frequently extort sellers knowing they can leave neg without fear of receiving one. In fact, it is not uncommon for buyers to file not-as-described claims and swap out the good parts before return, or even going so far as to return a box of rocks (or books or what have you). Without an ability to publicly call out scumbag buyers, buyers are now shielded from bad behaviour. Of course you can complain and if enough complaints get racked up, eBay can terminate such accounts but they sprout up again in short order. Bottom line is that any eBay member that only buys and never sells will always have 100% feedback regardless if they are prince charmings or scumbags.

The best thing we can do is to create and update bad buyer lists here and add them to our buyer block lists. Too bad that thread seems to have become neglected but maybe someone with the time can reincarnate it with a fresh updated list. The way we had it requiring members to weed through the thread to find and collect the names wasn't the greatest. Probably better if a list could be updated every 10 or 15 posts would've been better. In that way, one would surely find a complete list within a page or two of the last post.
 

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joe- you did the right thing all they way -
plus you do end up with the metal parts you needed
just be glad to know there are alot more good folks on ebay than aholes like that turd
 

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Thanks guys. I feel like I did the right thing too. A little honesty goes a long way.

Since my last message to him I did go ahead and put the chrome handle ends on my M90. So if he ever gets to read this, THANKS for the handle ends but you can take the handle and shove it. ;-)


Here are my original chrome pieces mounted to the handle he sent me. You can see mine were in rough shape!
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blu_fuz

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Yeah. He lucked out that it actually worked, very lucky.


I know everyone's transaction won't be the same with this guy. My point is the description didn't match the real condition, that's all. And the seller is a prick if you actually need to talk to him.
 

nikonfoo

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Sneaky photos
Your lucky the chrome was good
I couldn't tell much from those photos at all :nonono:
BTW so are the M90 chromes different to the M70
The 550 and M70 are almost exactly the same
You just need to change over the plastic swivel bits
The M70 has 2 screws to hold to the middle handle
And 550 has one but the hole matches up and fits
:blush: does that make sense
 

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This is the seller that I bought my M90 deck from. He sold it to me for $150 (took best offer, he wanted $250). Item wasn't packaged the best. Also the counter was broken. Besides that the deck worked. I was very happy. I was able to use parts on my old deck to fix the counter.

This seller also offered return....but since 95% worked I was stoked!!

He was also very responsive and shipping was on time.

Anyways...that's my experience. I was initially concerned about buying the deck because his rating was under 10. After a few questions, I felt more comfortable....and then he allowed me to return if it didn't work.
 
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