Cassette deck issues

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Palmer

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Hi Guys . The RW drive seems to be ok in my Clairtone 7978 tape deck but the FF is lethargic and the play tries to spin but does not . I tried these functions with a couple different tapes and with no tape in the deck and get the same results for each . Could this be a cleaning issue , belt issue, head issue or something else ? This box is just new to me and I have yet had the chance to start any refurb.

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Got new belts and gave it a cleaning and it works much better ....... One issue though . This unit allows you to play in Mono , Stereo , or Wide mode . All appear to work well except on the tape deck . Mono and Wide work fine but not in stereo . Any thoughts ?


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Palmer said:
Got new belts and gave it a cleaning and it works much better ....... One issue though . This unit allows you to play in Mono , Stereo , or Wide mode . All appear to work well except on the tape deck . Mono and Wide work fine but not in stereo . Any thoughts ?


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Jeff
Maybe a dead channel on the record/playback head. In mono mode, is there an output from both speakers as there should be? Does stereo mode still give you a left channel output? "Wide" functions of various different names bleed a feed from each negative into both channels (where the amp is of the balanced -tx type) to create the illusion of a wider stage, so even if the head has one dead channel, this would provide some sound in the right channel.
Is everything working ok on radio and in all three modes through both channels?
 

Palmer

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Hi John , thanks for the note !

In mono and wide selection I get sound from both speakers as expected . In stereo the sound is only from the left speaker . All options work as they should while listening to the radio . The issue appears to be intermittent . The last time I listened to the tape I have in the deck it would not work properly in stereo mode . I could not make it work no matter how many times I started and stopped the tape , or removed the tape and replaced it . Right now with the same tape that has been sitting in the deck untouched for days the stereo mode works fine . When the stereo mode works it does not cut in and out . It will work until I stop the tape . Only then it may or may not work .

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That's promising then, because a fault with the head itself would tend not to be intermittent. I'm sure I read somewhere that these lovely big old things are prone to dirty switches (as is almost any device that's been around for a decade or three) and certainly that would also cause erratic behaviour but what confounds that theory in this case is that it only does this on tape, but possibly - and I've met this issue on a Hacker RPC1's Nakamichi-built cassette deck - the leadout from the head is flexing (as it will when the heads move to make contact with the tape) and pulling away at a part-thickness fracture of a connection. Most likely the core as the braid is typically softer and thicker, but could also be caused by the constant movement over the years causing the braid to wear away at the insulation on the right channel core wire from the head, causing an intermittent short. The reason it remains functional when the tape is playing being that such a fault in that wire would only manifest itself when the head moves at the start or the end of play.
 

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Definitely clean that switch. Mine will be getting taken apart soon. If I wiggle it left and right while on the stereo setting, you can hear the left and right channels cut in and out slightly, so I know it has the potential to mess with each side separately. My wide mode is all sorts of nastiness, it makes a bunch of popping noises at full volume.
 

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caution said:
Definitely clean that switch. Mine will be getting taken apart soon. If I wiggle it left and right while on the stereo setting, you can hear the left and right channels cut in and out slightly, so I know it has the potential to mess with each side separately. My wide mode is all sorts of nastiness, it makes a bunch of popping noises at full volume.
The O/P's machine only does this on tape playback though, he's said how radio is unaffected. Or do the leadouts to cassette preamp go through the stereo switch somehow, on their way to final A/F? These switches can and often do cause excess DC to reach the grid if one of their decoupling caps is leaky, but that would be true of radio and tape sources. :-)
 

Palmer

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I did just get my order of Deoxit and will be giving the switches and pots a good cleaning soon .
 

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Hey Jeff,

Does your bottom tape deck rewind properly? I cleaned and rebelted mine. Everything works, but rewind is not powerful enough to rewind a tape all the way. It craps out when it's almost done. Can't find anything in the mechanism that slips, there are no further rubber parts that transfer power, it's all plastic gears and they all seem to work properly. Reversing the tape and then finishing the job by pressing FWD works fine though.
 

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Could be the tape - Have you tried any others?
A few of my boxes do this with sticky old 90 min. tapes, including the C-100.
 

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Yeah, I tried a few pre-recorded tapes as well that aren't as long. They almost make it to the end, but not quite. Since fwd works fine, I assume the motor is not the issue here. I would guess it's the square belt's tension that may not be quite right. I did double-check its size and when watching the mechanism everything moves as it should. What gives? Could order another one and see if that one works better.
 
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