Sanyo M X720 deck micro switch help!!

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baddboybill

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I finally got into box today, well 1st start of by saying this is an auto deck and one usual problem was deck not fully turning off so I was hoping for easy belt replace. Well I was wrong, Someone already had been inside box because all screws loose and one missing. Then I get in and was going to manually try to get deck stopped but all functions were in stop position. Power was still getting to motor even though micro switch was in off position. Well I followed all traces and found that someone had soldered 2 lines together on board (as seen in pic) Anyway I desoldered it and that took care of the power to motor issue but I guess the reason this was done was due to the mechanics of micro switch to power motor not working properly. Does anyone have pics of this area so I can see how the mechanics work the power switch :-D



 

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Ok this looks like it is the same as the bigben deck.
That microswitch does indeed turn power on and off to the deck. I had the same issue with mine.
The silver arm to the left should be pushing it down.

See the big wheel with the notch on it that moves that silver lever ?
That wheel must be in the right position.
In order to power it off the notch must be positioned so that the silver lever sits on it and therefore pushes the microswitch closed.
Try and turn that wheel manually to see if it will easily move into position.
 

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I did figure that thanks, but the problem is I can't get it to switch back on when you hit play, FF, REW. That's why I would like to see pics of one working because it looks like something is missing :hmmm:
 

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Its possible that if the deck is the same as a bigben that the same problem with yours from this thread has occurred, it's worth checking since if that little spring and lever is not engaging the silver arm may never move.
 

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docs said:
Its possible that if the deck is the same as a bigben that the same problem with yours from this thread has occurred, it's worth checking since if that little spring and lever is not engaging the silver arm may never move.
Actually the deck works when you manually push the micro switch. The problem is I need to know how when you press the play,Rew, FF buttons the micro switch gets set to on position :hmmm:
 

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Yes but when you press play something is not engaging and moving that large cog that moves the silver arm.
That something is a small gear that is moved when the spring and tyre piece are moved up by pressing play, FF or REW.
That in turn moves the large cog that moves the silver lever.
Does your deck look the same as the ones in the bigben deck thread ?
 

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docs said:
Yes but when you press play something is not engaging and moving that large cog that moves the silver arm.
That something is a small gear that is moved when the spring and tyre piece are moved up by pressing play, FF or REW.
That in turn moves the large cog that moves the silver lever.
Does your deck look the same as the ones in the bigben deck thread ?
I see the similarity but the sping and wheel are fine. This is an auto deck and as soon as you press the button that micro switch has to go on in order to get motor going to get the auto part of deck in action :-/
 

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The only 2 pics i have of my deck probably aren't of any use but here they are.
The microswitch has been removed.

However in the position shown, the silver lever in that position would close the microswitch which turns the power off to the deck and when open it turns power on to the deck.



 

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Hi, can i just add the leaf switch is broken it should look like this:



Had the same problem on my C7 very similar deck, I replaced mine with one of these and on several other Sanyo's:



The switch is normally closed the silver arm holds it open and the tiny first movement of the gear drops the arm and the switch springs shut.
With the deck fully in stop mode do you get a small movement of the gear when you press any key? Only about 3-4mm.
 

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mrp32 said:
Hi, can i just add the leaf switch is broken it should look like this:

[ Image ]

Had the same problem on my C7 very similar deck, I replaced mine with one of these and on several other Sanyo's:

[ Image ]

The switch is normally closed the silver arm holds it open and the tiny first movement of the gear drops the arm and the switch springs shut.
With the deck fully in stop mode do you get a small movement of the gear when you press any key? Only about 3-4mm.
No movement at all except the bar that moves side to side. Now mine is open circuit until closed with switch will motor turn
 

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baddboybill said:
mrp32 said:
Hi, can i just add the leaf switch is broken it should look like this:

[ Image ]

Had the same problem on my C7 very similar deck, I replaced mine with one of these and on several other Sanyo's:

[ Image ]

The switch is normally closed the silver arm holds it open and the tiny first movement of the gear drops the arm and the switch springs shut.
With the deck fully in stop mode do you get a small movement of the gear when you press any key? Only about 3-4mm.
No movement at all except the bar that moves side to side. Now mine is open circuit until closed with switch will motor turn
Closed is off, open is on.
 

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Ok yes now I am getting the tiny movement of the gear that moves arm. But when I did testing the switch needs to be as closed circuit for motor to get power :hmmm:
 

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mrp32 said:
Hi, can i just add the leaf switch is broken it should look like this:

[ Image ]

Had the same problem on my C7 very similar deck, I replaced mine with one of these and on several other Sanyo's:

[ Image ]

The switch is normally closed the silver arm holds it open and the tiny first movement of the gear drops the arm and the switch springs shut.
With the deck fully in stop mode do you get a small movement of the gear when you press any key? Only about 3-4mm.
Where did you get this replacement micro switch?
 

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I'm working with the micro switch that came with this and piece that was already on it. So far so good in a few tests. Gonna put it together and hope for best :thumbsup:
 

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Further testing and now radio part is not working and power light dim when set to radio. I'm stumped. Any ideas. I tried to get a service manual but was outbid :sadno:
 

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Bill. You've made some wrong assumptions here and have multiple issues. You presumed that the two traces that were bridged caused power to be sent to the deck making it work all the time. In reality, my guess is that instead, the opposite is happening. Power to the radio and amp functions probably resided on a trace that was either weak or broken. The previous owner or repair tech decided that the easiest way to restore power to the amp was to bridge those two power traces; one to the amp/radio and the other to the deck. The bridged solder pads was likely done to restore power to the amp/radio, not to power the deck. Now that the bridged solder pads are restored, you should backtrace by manually following the board with a DMM to ensure that you don't have a nearly broken wire, bad solder connection, bad trace, etc. That is the power rail and needs full voltage. The deck appearing to fix itself when you desoldered the bridged connection was probably a coincidence. Normally, the deck receives full power at all times anyhow. The motor switching is all done at the deck and not at the main PCB. Just a bit of warning: You can check poor connection by either checking resistance (non-powered) or voltage (while powered up). The problem is that if a connection remains with a hair thin trace, a resistance check might show continuity since the current going to/from the meter is very small. However, with a large current draw, the connection might fail to provide full voltage due to inability to supply the required current. In this case, you may have to check using voltage function since it's a more reliable indicator of the quality of a trace under load. I can't tell you the exact problem spot where the failure is occuring. But it's how I would work this issue. The rest is up to you. Also suggest you aggressively clean/check the function selector switch. It's internal contacts might've failed.

Service manuals are rarely ever helpful with mechanical deck issues so that's something you just need to work through on your own. You are the one with it, and the one that gets to watch the action of all the gears, levers, etc. I think Docs may be pointing you in the right direction with the lever and if I recall, I also had to work that area a bit to make sure the gear and lever were properly aligned. I suggest you remove the lever and make sure that it's not binding. It needs to float freely and don't use grease either since while it reduces wear, will add drag to a lever that is very sensitive to any sort of drag. But I'm just guessing. My big ben is already reassembled and put away so I can't be of much help. Bad memory and all, you understand.

Traces don't bridge themselves for no reason. Somebody did this as a redneck way of "fixing" something. Just remember that in 98% of the boomboxes, decks "always" receive power 100% of the time. So it wasn't likely done to jury rig the deck which already had power.
 

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Norm your a genius :-D I cleaned switch once more and reheated every solder joint on switch and path to power and it worked. Thank you very much. Now to just get micro switch working :thumbsup:
 

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Thanks Scott :thumbsup: I got the micro switch working and deck is fully functional. The belt are a bit loose which may cause future problems, but I got new ones on order. I'm still thinking about getting a new micro switch for future when I do belt replacement :hmmm: If anyone else has had luck with an aftermarket micro switch that I can use for this Sanyo please chime in :-D
 
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